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    Does anyone know what is being built on the vacant SE corner of West 19th/10th? Fences and permits went up the other day.

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    I'm interested in this one too. Anyone have any info?

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    Could this thread be retitled to include the site name, address and developer:

    456 West 19th Street

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    Developer / Architect: Cary Tamarkin

    www.tamarkinco.com

    CURBED coverage of 456 West 19th

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    Test Driving the Curves on West Chelsea's 456 West 19th Street

    November 5, 2010, by Joey Arak







    We've long been obsessed with architect/developer Cary Tamarkin's 456 West 19th Street, another one of his loft-inspired "mezzanine buildings" chock full of duplexes. What makes this one a little different from similar Tamarkin designs are the waves of bricks up top, which create penthouse balconies and allude to the Hudson River a couple blocks away. Though we've already had an in-depth look inside the building and all its multi-paned steel window madness, we couldn't resist the invite to check out two newly completed penthouses. In fact, don't tell but we never left the first time around. They're going to need a restraining order to keep us away from this place.

    First up in the photo gallery is a modeled 2BR/2BA duplex on the eighth and ninth floors, with an 1,129-square-foot private terrace and, 'natch, one of those curbed balconies. After that is a look inside the empty adjacent 3BR penthouse with great High Line (and Frank Gehry and Jean Nouvel) views. Prices on these penthouse puppies start at $6.25 million and go up to nearly $8 million for the big boys. Take a peek inside and then rank your favorite West Chelsea starchitect buildings in the comments to alleviate your Friday boredom.

    456 West 19th Street[456w19.com]
    456 West 19th Street coverage [Curbed]

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/1...9th_street.php

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    Aaahhh, what joy it would be to have a huge outdoor space in NYC.

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    Yes, but for some reason (not sure why) the vast majority of out door spaces - be it a small balcony or large terrace – suffer the same fate a the ‘dinning room’ in suburban homes: they eventually become underutilized spaces that just go stale & unkept.

    These spaces, once they become a ‘dead zone’ within the property, utimately detract or become 'a blight on' the rest of the residence.

    Moral of the story? Unless one is prepared to both maintain & make frequent ‘use of’ those outdoor spaces, one would be wise to forgo that particular ‘out-door amenity’ alltogether.

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    That is why dinky little balconies are so stupid. They're good for not much more than a moment outside and they're often turned into storage units for all to see (not very neighborly, but undoubtedly one reason folks want them). But the occupant with a good outdoor terrace who allows it to go trashy is simply unworthy of such a treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    That is why dinky little balconies are so stupid.
    You state that as if it were were some irrefutable fact: so I feel a bit reluctant to disabuse you of that notion. I 'personally' would opt for a "dinky balcony" because I would like to 'occasionally' step out and enjoy the open air and views - yet I would not want to have a larger outdoor space that would require more work to maintain.

    What I have noticed about the outdoor spaces in NYC apartments is that they quickly develop a thick film of "soot" - so much so that it make the area not only unsightly but un-usable to the point where one can not touch - or sit down on - anything.

    That being said, when it comes to this new condo on Wet 19th, I would definitely prefer one of those smaller 'curvy balconies' that are above that larger terrace that I think you would prefer to have - to each his own I guess.

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    The curvy ones on this baby would do me just fine. The dinky ones I'm talking about the little things like what are going up HERE and can also be seen HERE and elsewhere around town.

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    I like the size of those other buildings you posted too: actually the curvy terraces on this West Chelsea building are 'still' a bit larger than what I would choose if there were options - but I think that is as small a they come in this particular building.

    The best (IMHO) are what I have heard here on WNY referred to as 'Juilette balconies' , or something just slightly larger - just enough to step-out on and experience the air/view - but not something that would need to be; "hosed down" regularly, planted, furnished, ect.

    I know you think this is just "stupid"; but when it comes to 'out door spaces' in NYC buildings - 'less is more'. (lol)

    Cheers

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    Casement Windows Are Architects’ New Darling

    By JONATHAN VATNER


    A large one-bedroom at 456 West 19th Street has new steel casement windows.

    The facade of 456 West 19th Street.


    Old-fashioned French casement windows grace 367 and 369 Bleecker Street.


    Those who can't afford their added expense can experience casement windows at the Crosby Street Hotel.

    FOR a long time, mullioned steel casement windows, the gridded kind that swing out like a door, had fallen out of fashion. They leaked badly, and a stiff wind could blow out their panes or knock their hinges askew. Over the years they have been replaced in many buildings by single-pane aluminum casement or double-hung windows.

    But now those classic casements are appearing on new apartment buildings with startling regularity, especially in West Chelsea and the West Village, as part of an architectural style that pays tribute to prewar buildings.

    In large part, New York has Cary Tamarkin to thank for the return of casements. An architect and developer, Mr. Tamarkin is sometimes referred to as “the window guy,” because of the distinctive casement windows in his New York City buildings, including 140 Perry Street, 495 West Street, 397 West 12th Street and, most recently, 456 West 19th Street, a 22-unit 11-story all-duplex building with 5 apartments still for sale, starting at $2.2 million.

    As to the reason for using old-fashioned casements, which are typically more expensive than conventional windows, Mr. Tamarkin said, “It’s a kind of commitment to a classic Modernism which is rooted in traditions of authenticity.” Most of his projects are in neighborhoods rich with warehouse buildings, he said, so he designed them to “live comfortably amid their settings.”

    Mr. Tamarkin says he uses pricey steel casement windows — as opposed to aluminum — because the mullions are slim (“I don’t like fat-mullioned windows,” he says) and because the metal shows pockmarks and other signs of use, lending them an old-fashioned character.

    His windows are also made the old-fashioned way. “You’ve got actual little panes of glass that are painstakingly put in one by one,” he said. “They’re very subtle details, but the people buying in our buildings are sensitive to the design. Either you don’t get it and it’s meaningless to you, or you can’t live without it.”

    Jaime Roth is one of those sensitive buyers. She had been looking for an apartment in the West Village when her brother suggested she look at 456 West 19th Street. When she saw the windows, she decided to buy a three-bedroom unit.

    “The windows were really the reason why I bought that apartment,” she said. “I like that it’s new construction but it feels kind of old. That’s what the windows do.”
    Casement windows are a feature at 200 11th Avenue, where a penthouse is for sale for $17.5 million.

    Sara Lopergolo, a partner at Selldorf Architects, which designed the building (Steven Kratchman is the architect of record), says that the casement window is of interest today because “it breaks down the scale of a window opening. It frames views.
    “It has a resonance with people, a character that people retain as something that belongs to an old world,” she added. “I think that’s the icon people think of in New York City.”

    Part of the reason for the resurgence is that window technology has improved, said Richard Kusyk, the owner of Bright Window Specialists, the New York City installer of Hope’s Windows of Jamestown, N.Y., a well-known name in steel casements.

    “The old windows were single-pane glass, they were putty-glazed from the exterior, and they had no weather stripping,” Mr. Kusyk said, explaining that if they leaked air it did not much matter because their usual location was a warehouse. But now, he said, “Hope’s has developed ways to make those windows accommodate insulating glass, triple weather stripping and superior finishes that will last a lifetime. They never did any of that stuff in the old days.”

    In a few instances, casements have been installed as part of a renovation. In the 1980s, Pierre LeVec and Pierre Moulin, the founders of Pierre Deux, a company that sells French country furnishings, installed French casement windows at 367-369 Bleecker Street, now called La Maison Pierre.

    A French casement window is hinged at the outside with no center mullion, allowing for an unobstructed view when opened.

    Beck Street Capital bought the rental-apartment property in 2004, converted it to a condominium and then sold the apartments at prices up to about $3 million. They went quickly.

    “Those windows were one of the main selling features for every unit purchased in that building,” said Kevin D. Comer, the senior managing director of Beck Street Capital. “In this kind of a market, the subtle quality distinctions become all the more important.”

    Mr. Comer, a former resident of the building, said he loved the windows. “Most windows have only the top sash or the bottom sash. You can only get that square of air. With French casement windows, the entire window is available for airflow. Just the breeze is incredible.”

    For those who can’t afford to live in these top-tier buildings, vintage casements, and that double dose of breeze, can be had for the price of a night at the Bowery Hotel and the Crosby Street Hotel. Rates at the Bowery start about $425; at the Crosby about $495.

    “I think that there’s something nice about real mullioned windows,” said Sean MacPherson, an owner of the Bowery Hotel, which opened in 2007. “It has a certain coziness.”

    Not all buyers are fans, though, said Leonard Steinberg, a managing director of Prudential Douglas Elliman and the director of sales for 200 11th Avenue. “I think there are two camps out there: Some people love them and some people don’t love them.
    “For some people,” he said, “it feels like a warehouse space, and it’s an absolute no-no.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/re...ting.html?_r=1

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    Very, very...very nice.


    456 West 19th Street Penthouse Already Ready to Flip

    by Sara Polsky

















    The curvy balconies and loft-inspired duplexes at architect/developer Cary Tamarkin's 456 West 19th Street have obsession status around these parts, and so do the building's sales stats. Penthouse I sold in December 2010 for $5,702,200, a 12.3 percent discount from the original ask of $6.5 million. That's about in line with the building's average discount, and there's still one unit on the market, but the LLC buyer of #PHI is ready to test his or her flipping luck nonetheless. The asking price on the fresh listing is $7.8 million and comes with a photographic peek into a furnished unit in the building.

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/1...h-street-phi-1

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    Boy, I love this building. If and when I get around to building something, it will be right up this alley. Evocative of a renovated industrial space, but thoroughly modernized.

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