I wasn't being a cop. I was trying to get him off of a poor tangent.
Extrapolations are often used in law enforcement, politics, and buisness to estimate things. To do a linear extrapolation of crime figure numbers, with acknowledgement of the possible additional or detracting factors is quite salient.
Fab's comparison of a linear extrapolation of current statistics to "E=mc^2" was a poor attempt at a straw-man refutal of the position posted.
I do not agree with a lot of what Nick Taylor says, but I have to say there is nothing wrong with his comparison. At least, not in the way that Fab suggested here.
Cop? nah. I just do not like it when people start using irrelevant conjectures to support or derogate anothers position.
>sigh<
whatever.....
"Fab's comparison of a linear extrapolation of current statistics to "E=mc^2" was a poor attempt at a straw-man refutal of the position posted."
uh right... ok... so listen, I was wondering, and you would probably know: was Tinkerbell a pixie or a fairy?
I saw her on Christopher street a lot....
Guns For The City
Jaegar has it right concerning the downgrading of crimes in NYC...I should know since I created the 'crime storm' of 1986 - 1992 through easy access to guns.
This is unflattering, of course, I just got caught up in making very extremly bad decisions and my past concerning these events would shock the consciousness out of anyone that becomes aware of it; because, I altered many lives.
Most people are not aware that the increase of guns in the NYC areas during the late 80's, early 90's were due to me; and the decrease was because of the Federal case I caught in 1991.
The evidence is clear, the homocide rate dropped almost 60%...the evidence became clear too that I was used to create an artifical crime wave so that tough laws would be added to the law books to handle juveniles as adults and later on to help fund terror groups with cash and bodies for various forms of para millitary groups within the community waiting for the call to strike; crack and snitching ended that idea(?), I have been told.
Now, do the above indiscretion(s) stop me from having the right to tell anybody anything? Can a criminal go back into a community and speak to kids about the dangers of a certain lifestyle? Should I be prohibited forever from challenging others to do their best and not make bad decisions that they will be faced with?
I have learned from my mistakes and ask, " is redemption possible? Am I a hypocrite? " Does a persons past make them less able to challenge others to do better then they did? " I hope not!"
Pray the rosary and an answer will come to you.
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(I leave this forum for like 2 weeks and it gets ...strange)
Google search shows only one other instance of another post anywhere from TonyChampayne ...
hiphopmusic.com
Reply Posted by: Tony Champayne at November 29, 2007
The 'American Gangster' movie was cool although it was laced with lies...Nicky wasn't Superfly but a cool dude who wasn't to be messed with I was out of Noel crew whom he had his tongue cut out because he spoke his mind he was from 116th Street and Manhattan ave but also knew Frank Lucas through my uncle 'Bumpy' and 'JJ' my dad was New York Raggs as he was called and hung with Zack Robinson and Pete McDoggle who owned Smalls Paradise back then...Frank was just country and his biggest thing was paying for everyones drinks or food as long as he was in a bar or resturant.
A man has to do what a man has to do, because you have to live with yourself a choice to do one thing over another is or should be based on the future...meaning if you can stand by it through the years with no regrets...like 'sex' a person should not do something that went become 75 years old they are shamed of. Check me out at Chesshand.blogspot.com and let me know what think especially if you are from back in the day.
From the Guardian today.
The state of cover up and policing in London.
Heres an extract of the full article and reader comments which can be found here
"The block of flats De Menezes left on 22 July was under surveillance. The security services were watching for a man called Hussain Osman. When De Menezes emerged, a surveillance officer was relieving himself and did not identify him as the suspect. When he boarded the number 2 bus at Tulse Hill, there was no certainty that he was the man they wanted. Equally, there was no guarantee that he was not their man. They followed him to Brixton underground station. It was closed.
They followed him on to another bus and onwards to Stockwell underground station. So far three occasions, at least, on any of which a suicide bomber might have detonated his explosives; three occasions, too, on which he might have been intercepted. At Stockwell, they followed him on to the northbound Victoria line train at which point recently arrived specialist firearms officers took command, entered the carriage, were pointed to De Manezes and shot him dead.
Imagine the terror he must have felt as they bore down on him. Imagine too what the security services must have felt when they realised that the body on the floor of the carriage was not Osman.
Even then, an admission that a horrendous blunder had been made might have mitigated the damage that was done to our sense of ourselves and the democracy in which we live. But no. The smear campaign began. De Menezes was wearing a bulky jacket that could have concealed a suicide belt; a lie – he was wearing a denim jacket. He jumped the ticket barrier at Stockwell; a lie – he walked calmly through the concourse. His work visa had expired; a lie – the foreign secretary of the time could find no evidence to corroborate this.
The state circled the wagons. No dignity was to be accorded the innocent victim and a blunder of dreadful proportions became a crime for which no one has been held answerable. Democracy, the cornerstone of which is the right to life, has been diminished and we are all of us the lesser for it.
I did not know De Menezes but I use the number 2 bus on which his final journey began. It's difficult to travel that route without thinking of the events of that July day. It would be easier for the communal psyche if such happenings were left to the footnotes of history but that would be to do a disservice to him and to ourselves."
From the Times...
There are two stories from the Times in the last week which are eye opening.
One reader commented today
"When the financial district in London's square mile decide to relocate, London will become a shell of a city. As Detroit is today. Was once wealthy, now a giant ghetto full of guns, drugs, gangs and decay. Already many of the poorest immigrants to UK choose to avoid London as it is too rough."
Here's the SE London incident that prompted him:
"An innocent teenager was shot dead in front of his brother when he was hit in the back as armed men on mopeds fired at two other pedestrians."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4480395.ece
And then theres this:
Woman thrown on live railway line in station no smoking row
"A female commuter was thrown on to railway tracks this morning after telling two young men to stop smoking on a station platform."
From the August 6 Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4469907.ece
Barry George, who servde time for the murder of BBC Anchor Jill Dando, was exonerated this week also.
Big week for crime news in London.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4443847.ece
An "overwhelmed" Barry George was today a free man after being found not guilty of murdering the TV presenter Jill Dando in a sensational verdict at the Old Bailey.
Mr George spent eight years in jail after being convicted of killing the former BBC Crimewatch star – one of the UK's most high-profile miscarriages of justice.
NY Sun
http://www.nysun.com/new-york/ny-far...w-study/83495/
N.Y. Fares Well Vs. London in a New Study
By JULIE SATOW, Staff Reporter of the Sun | August 8, 2008
A new report has found that Londoners are six times more likely to be robbed or assaulted than New Yorkers, that their cost of living is nearly 40% higher, and that their largest university, the University of London, has just 125,000 students, compared with the City University of New York's 450,000 students.
The 116-page study, a collaboration of New York University's Schack Institute of Real Estate, the Urban Land Institute, and London South Bank University, is a follow-up to a seven-volume report published in 2000.
In the new study, 14 factors were examined, and of the six categories in which one city was found to lead, New York dominated. In fact, London was found to lead in just two categories: its programs to prevent climate change and its efforts to project a better city image.
New York, meanwhile, came in first for having a lower cost of living, more affordable housing, a stronger program to tackle urban poverty, and larger arts, fashion, and food scenes.
"This is not a review of competition between London and New York City," the author of the report, Greg Clark, a senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute, wrote in the preface. "It is an assessment of how the two cities can use their competitive instincts to be successful in the 21st century when many other cities will seek to emulate the success London and New York had in the last 100 years."
It may not be a competition, but the two cities are compared with striking results: In the financial services sector, for example, it has been the case for the last several years that London is perceived to have surpassed New York. This is in large part because businesses are drawn to London's minimal regulatory environment — it has a single regulator, the Financial Services Authority, compared with 10 regulators overseeing the American financial markets.
Now, though, after a run on the London-based Northern Rock bank and its subsequent borrowing of billions of dollars from the Bank of England to stay afloat, some companies are questioning the more lax British regulatory system.
"They were considered to have this great regulatory system with the Financial Services Authority, but it is clear now it just didn't work with Northern Rock," an associate professor at New York University, Rosemary Scanlon, a former New York State deputy comptroller, said.
In addition, while London sees far more initial public offerings — its share of IPOs jumped 30 percentage points, to 63%, between 2001 and 2006, while New York saw IPOs drop 41 percentage points, to 16%, during the same period — New York has a far larger market. The New York Stock Exchange and the Nasdaq together accounted for nearly half of global stock trading last year, with the value of shares traded in New York at $33.6 trillion, compared to $7.6 trillion in London.
"So much of the financial business conducted in London is from New York firms — Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs," Ms. Scanlon said.
New York is also a more affordable city, the report finds. Citing a 2007 survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, London became the second most expensive city in the world behind Moscow last year, climbing from fifth place. New York dropped five places, to rank 15th.
While a major reason New York is more affordable is the relative decline in the value of the dollar against the British pound, London also has much stricter building codes, limiting the size of new construction, and more top-end immigration, both of which push housing prices higher.
New York is also a more global city, as defined by its hosting more firms that have offices in at least 15 cities around the globe, according to the Globalisation and World Cities Group. While London is the most popular location for European headquarters of international businesses, "New York has the edge in terms of total numbers of global firms," the study found.
New York also comes out on top in terms of crime. It is among the safest cities in America, with violent crime dropping 75% over the past 12 years, and the murder rate last year at its lowest level since 1963. London, meanwhile, has seen violent crime on the Underground rise 14% between 2004 and 2005, according to the British Transport Police, and its street crimes skyrocket more than 40% between 2001 and 2002.
Even the discrepancy in gun violence between the two cities is narrowing: "Although differences in arms laws have long resulted in greater gun crime in New York, the gap between the cities is lessening as New York improves its statistics whilst gun crime in London is on the increase," the report said.
One reason may be the stronger police presence in New York — there is one New York police officer for every seven crimes, compared to one officer for every 41 crimes in London, according to the Police Federation.
There are areas where London is more successful. While the two cities have similar populations, London has only about 1,500 homeless, less than half the number in New York.
In addition, London has a far smaller carbon footprint — 41.9 million tons to 72 million tons for New York — and a better reputation. According to the Anholt City Brand Index, which studies the brands of 30 cities, London ranked first and New York seventh. "Most respondents felt they knew more about London than any other city by a wide margin. London was the second most visited city, the top for ease of finding a job, for doing business in, for obtaining a valuable education qualification, and for ease of finding a community to fit in," the report said.
A similar study by another firm also looked at cities' marketing efforts, and placed New York at the top, with London ranking eighth. "This discrepancy undoubtedly reflects the subjective and qualitative nature of 'measuring' image and identity," Mr. Clark wrote.
While New York did do better in certain categories, overall, the two cities have striking similarity, the researchers behind the report said.
"I expected their to be more distinct and dramatic differences, but they really are neck and neck," the president of Urban Land Institute Europe, Middle East, Africa, and India, William Kistler, said. "The bigger concern is that these two cities not rest on their laurels: What happens to the two cities in the next five years will be really crucial."
RELATED: Report: London and New York in the 21st Century | The Sun's Earlier Coverage of the New York-London Rivalry.
Oh poppycock - the writer of that must have had an English girlfriend who cheated on him or som-fink.
We did this all before on the "London The Truth and Would You Live There" before that thread was shut down because of the inane jealousy and ostrich like behavior of some of the limes. Methinks Innit.
Jamie Oliver launches attack on British culture
Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver has launched an extraordinary attack on the British - portraying them as uncivilised materialists obsessed with a "culture of alcohol".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...h-culture.html
I tend to agree with Jamie (but generally dislike his look at me bash a basil leaf style of cooking.)
Greetings from Hong Kong, where you can see the English doing exactly this every night at Lan Kwai Fong and Wan Chai...
Fame, Money and Crime in the UK
But 14 year old white guys?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6e_1220698584
50 teenage deaths by stabbing leads to new campaign
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eb1_1216137162
Use of knives by teens in UK leads to doctors wanting to ban long kitchen knives...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d90_1215408202
Thats just weird.
Last edited by Gregory Tenenbaum; September 11th, 2008 at 06:59 AM.
http://www.newcriminologist.com/news.asp?nid=2077
I guess banning knives will not make any difference.
In May a 16 year old teen was stabbed to death - with glass from a broken shop window.
seriously, what a broken record.
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