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    Default long way to go

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Not if they build site 2 first.
    Looks to me like Site 1 isnt even assembled yet. Appears to be in the hands of a few different owners.

  2. #32

    Default dmolition underway at the parking lot site at 29th-30th and Sixth Ave

    Shed just went up, demo signs up, excavators parked on the garage roof.

    The JD Carlisle development between 29th and 30th streets will be a hotel with condo units starting at the 20th floor.
    Official name Fitzpatrick Hotel/JD Carlisle Development
    Emporis Building Number 288819

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    Bordering street #1 6th Avenue*
    Bordering street #2 West 29th Street*
    Bordering street #3 West 30th Street*
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    Block Number *
    Neighborhood Midtown
    Borough Manhattan
    City New York City
    State New York
    Country U.S.A.

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    Floors (OG) 46
    Construction end 2009

    Fitzpatrick plans new 250-room Midtown hotel

    by Lisa Fickenscher

    The Fitzpatrick US Hotel Group on Thursday announced plans to build a new Midtown hotel, a step that may help meet growing demand for rooms in Manhattan.

    The $500 million hotel and residential project at West 29th Street and Sixth Avenue is being developed by J.D. Carlisle Development Corp. The site is currently a parking lot.

    The 250-room hotel will be managed by the Ireland-based Fitzpatrick group, which owns and manages two other properties in Manhattan. It is expected to open in 2009 and will include a 7,000 square foot outdoor terrace with a swimming pool.

    With hotel occupancy rates rising to 90% in September, up from 87% a year ago, the project will help but not alleviate the need for more hotel rooms in the city.

    An investor group put together by Cathal McGinley, managing director of KMS Commercial, is raising the funds for the building and will handle the sale of residential units.

    Mr. McGinley said this joint venture represents the beginning of a five-year expansion plan of the Fitzpatrick hotel brand in the United States.

    “We are looking at opportunities in Washington, Boston and another location in New York,” he said.
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    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Re: 835 6th Avenue (aka 101-113 W. 29th Street / 835-861 6th Avenue / 100-108 W. 30th Street)

    Quote Originally Posted by finnman69 View Post

    Shed just went up, demo signs up, excavators parked on the garage roof.
    No Applications / Permits at DOB for a New Building here as of yet, but ...

    DOB shows that a DEMO Permit was issued on 2.08.2007

    A separate PERMIT was issued on 1.29.2007 for:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stern View Post
    From Sherwood Equities.

    Anybody want to take a guess on the height of this one?

    Ok here is a new rendering...

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    Looks to be around 80 storeys.

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    Does anyone know how long it will take for the City to build this new "Hudson Boulevard Park" that was part of the Hudson Yards rezoning?

    I haven't seen any timetables in quite a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime View Post
    Ok here is a new rendering...

    That tower looks like crap!! But I am not surprised. Here comes the ravaging of the ESB's views from the west side.

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    Boring with a capital B. No surprise there.

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    Considering what is in the area, the design doesn't other me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macreator View Post
    Does anyone know how long it will take for the City to build this new "Hudson Boulevard Park" that was part of the Hudson Yards rezoning?

    I haven't seen any timetables in quite a while.
    Since it takes three years for the city to design things usually, expect 10 years and over a billion in cost for this project, WTC will be done for years before we see this

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    ^ That could be a good thing if one is interested in seeing a more creative design. By then, maybe they'll have to redesign it.

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    Yeah, perhaps by that time New York will catch up with the level of creativity that other cities are showing. I'm not saying we need a rotating building, just something better than that boring box. We suck.

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    Behold, a Mini-City Rises

    By Matthew Scheuerman Published: April 24, 2007

    Five years ago, Mayor Michael Bloomberg painted a utopian picture of the future of New York on the canvas of the disjointed tenements and taxi garages of midtown west.

    It was to be a city where college-educated office workers would walk to work at brand-new office buildings with floor plates the size of football fields. A tree-lined boulevard, broader than Park Avenue, would slice up New York’s bulky street grid and draw pedestrians down to a gigantic civic complex with a gigantic football stadium.

    The boulevard was called Olympic Boulevard; the stadium, Olympic Stadium.

    Remember those days?

    The Mayor’s aides called the plan for the new West Side “magnificent,” “the single best investment in our future,” “monumental” and a blueprint to create “one of the world’s great urban places.”

    The slides of what the neighborhood would look like in 20 years bore a certain resemblance to socialist-realist art, complete with messianic rays of sunlight streaming down to an area as tall and dense as Madison Avenue.

    And guess what? It’s all coming true—sort of.

    Even now that the ill-fated football stadium and Olympic bid—which were, after all, supposed to act as catalysts for the new development—have fallen by the wayside, the new neighborhood is taking shape. Some 20 projects are somewhere on the drawing board, and a few others have already broken ground.

    The ones furthest along are the residential towers, since it will take until 2012 at the earliest to complete the real engine of the West Side: the extension of the No. 7 line west to 11th Avenue and south to 34th Street. Still, even office developers, energized by a bullish midtown commercial market, are publicly discussing new buildings for the district, even if only to advertise their availability to prospective tenants.

    “A lot of things are happening faster than what we expected, given the state of the real-estate market, with rents just going through the roof and building prices following that trajectory,” said James Parrott, deputy director and chief economist for the Fiscal Policy Institute, a left-leaning think tank. “It seems like the attention that will be given to the Far West Side will begin sooner than it otherwise would have.”

    The plan was supposed to provide about 24 million square feet of office space (the equivalent of about nine Freedom Towers), and 12,600 new apartments, in the 45-block area from 29th Street to 42nd Street and from Eighth Avenue to the Hudson River. The tax revenue from the commercial buildings would pay back the $2.1 billion borrowed to build the extension of the No. 7 subway line down 11th Avenue.

    “This plan will do for New York what Canary Wharf has done for London,” said Jeff Katz, president of Sherwood Equities, which owns both commercial and residential property in the district. “In order for Manhattan to remain one of the most critically important financial centers, it needed a place to grow. We didn’t really have a place to grow before Hudson Yards was put into place.”

    In contrast to Canary Wharf, which is about three miles away from London’s traditional financial district, Hudson Yards is nearly adjacent to midtown Manhattan. It remains to be seen whether the same type of star-studded architecture will take hold in the West Side’s former warehouse district as it did in London. Right now, experienced (if critically unacclaimed) architects like Costas Kondylis and Gene Kaufman have work going up. Sir Richard Rogers, Kohn Pedersen Fox, and Skidmore, Owings & Merrill—all of which also designed for Canary Wharf—have projects on the table.

    But if the area does get developed according to plan, it will, more than any other business district in the city, have all been built from the ground up, without regard to historic preservation, in the span of a mere 30 years.

    Plans have a way of biting back, however. In the two years it has taken for big-league developers to gather investors, draw up blueprints and sort through the thick regulations, nimble upstart builders have erected budget hotels on whichever parcels they found available.

    In fact, on one block, just south of the Port Authority Bus Terminal, five budget hotels—called ‘pencil hotels’ because of their tall, narrow shape—have sprouted up, feeding the hunger for hotel rooms near Times Square and the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center.

    Needless to say, however much the city likes its tourists, this isn’t what New Yorkers had in mind for a brave new West Side.

    “This is what the market does,” said Joe Restuccia, executive director of the nonprofit Clinton Housing Development Company. “Someone comes along and says, ‘I can pay a lot of money for that site and build a cheap hotel and make a lot of money.’ Who would ever think that so many of them would cluster in this one place?”

    Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff told The Observer that the hotels didn’t concern him much, precisely because they are concentrated on one block on the eastern side of the site.

    “If you remember the zoning, we anticipated relatively lower-scale building between Eighth Avenue and Ninth, and Ninth and 10th, and that’s where most of this development is occurring,” he said. “The area that is going to go through the biggest change is between 10th and 12th avenues.”

    Residential development is, meanwhile, taking shape along two arteries: 42nd Street and 37th Street. On the far western end of 37th Street, near and along 11th Avenue, Baruch Singer—known for buying up large swaths of run-down tenements in Harlem—is planning two 40-story-plus hotels. Mr. Singer told The Observer that he is speaking with major hotel chains and planned to break ground by the end of the year.

    Five of the residential developers in the area overcame a major obstacle last month when they struck preliminary agreements with the state Housing Finance Authority for tax-exempt bonds to finance their structures. The bonds require developers to set aside 20 percent of the units for low-income households, but the high demand—and limited supply—for such cheap financing had threatened to forestall the Hudson Yards development indefinitely.

    “For us, 37th Street was the most civilized of the options,” said Jon McMillan, planning director for the Rockrose Development Corporation, which broke ground on one building and is nearing work on another. “It doesn’t pass by any of the Port Authority infrastructure; it has been developing with cultural and retail options, and it is where the most things have been planned so far.”

    That “infrastructure” is the spaghetti of entrance and exit tunnels and ramps to the Lincoln Tunnel and the Port Authority Bus Terminal that dominates the northeast end of the Hudson Yards. One of the key real-estate deals to smooth out the terrain is a pair of mid-rise apartment complexes on either side of 37th Street between Ninth and 10th avenues. Called Hudson Mews North and South, the Dermot Company project will be built on a platform above the Lincoln Tunnel entrance and exit ramps—a challenge that has taken longer than expected to surmount.

    “The engineering and technical details of building on that site have been worked out, and we are looking for the most cost-effective way of satisfying the Port Authority and other engineering requirements,” Dermot president William Dickey told The Observer. “This is rather a unique situation. There is no other project like this in the city or in the Port Authority system.”

    Mr. Dickey said that when the Port Authority first agreed to give the air rights to the Dermot Company, the two parties had hoped that ground would be broken this summer, with December as the outside date. These days, December is looking more realistic. The cost of the air rights is one part of the negotiations.

    Though residential use is supposed to dominate the northern and eastern ends of the district, office towers are supposed to be arranged in an “L” shape, north-south along 11th Avenue opposite the newly reborn Javits Center and east-west in the low 30’s. Key to the southern corridor are the Metropolitan Transportation Authority railyards, which have yet to go out to bid.

    But it’s telling that two landlords are willing to discuss some details of their projects.

    Brookfield Properties, which owns most of the block between 31st and 33rd streets on the west side of Ninth Avenue, is drawing up plans for four towers. Mr. Katz, the president of Sherwood, has come up with a schematic plan for his 11th Avenue parcel to show off to financial companies.

    Mr. Katz said he would not start without securing an anchor tenant—which is normal practice for office buildings—but both the Sherwood and Brookfield parcels are large enough to provide the 65,000-square-foot trading floors that investment banks like J.P. Morgan Chase are now looking to build at the World Trade Center site.

    There are still several balls in the air, however, that community leaders who have helped to shape the plan say could make all the difference. Next month, the M.T.A. is supposed to put the eastern and western railyards—including the former site of the Olympic stadium—up for bid. The $1.7 billion expansion of the Javits Center, which was supposed to be one of the anchors of the new development, is being re-evaluated by the administration of Governor Eliot Spitzer.

    And who knows just how far along private developers and the state are toward moving Madison Square Garden a block west, ripping the lid off of the subterranean Pennsylvania Station, and constructing another five million square feet of space in the vicinity? That’s a massive amount of supply that, even according to the city’s own estimates, would suck away developers’ interest from further west.

    “I’m very skeptical they are going to get the railyards plan under way, and I think if nothing happens on the railyards now, then it’s in a generation,” said Anna Levin, co-chair of the land-use subcommittee for the local community board. “If you live in New York any period of time at all, you know that it is impossible to tell what sort of development will happen.”

    Copyright © 2007 The New York Observer. All rights reserved.

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    327–339 West 37th Street/310-328 West 38th Street
    24-story building with 550 apartments
    Glenwood Management
    Residential Rental

    Sure to be another blob by Costas. His mid-rise projects are the worse, i.e. Chelsea Centro, 88 Leonard, Foley Square Apts., Morton Square...

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    Worse when combined with Glenwood. Their buildings have to have those relentless bay windows, not to mention a/c grills and exposed floor plates. We need to ban some developers from the city.

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