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    IU guess they feel that they have little control over this particular ethnicity/origin of immigrants and would prefer the ones that they already have control over their immigration means, and possibly links to family members back home.

    I am sure if they had ties to this new wave, they would see it as a chance to make more money, but as it is, it may be a chance for another organized crime faction to start vying for power....


    Idunno.

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    The reason is real simple: Romania and Bulgaria are part of the EU. They can stay on Italian territory.

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    Bravo Sarkozy...


    France to issue citizens' handbooks to every child

    • PM unveils new measures following identity debate
    • All schools will be ordered to fly the French flag


    French children are to be given a "citizen's handbook" to teach them to be better republicans, as part of national identity measures announced by the government today.

    Schools will be ordered to fly the French flag and to have a copy of the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in every classroom.

    The measures, announced by the French prime minister, François Fillon, are the first to emerge from the country's controversial debate on national identity.

    Under new rules, immigrants who come to live in France, who since 2007 have had to sign a contract of welcome and integration, will have to take part in a more solemn ceremony to become French citizens. They will also be expected to demonstrate a better command of the French language and a greater knowledge of the "values of the republic". All candidates will be required to sign a "charter" outlining their rights and responsibilities.

    Lessons for immigrant parents, currently being tested in 12 regions, will be introduced across the country from September.

    "The emphasis will be put on the respect for the values of the republic … notably the principle of equality between men and women … and the level of knowledge of the French language," said Fillon.

    His comments came less than a week after France's immigration minister, Eric Besson – a Socialist party defector personally appointed by President Nicolas Sarkozy to manage the national identity debate – refused to grant nationality to a Moroccan man who allegedly obliges his wife to wear the burka. The French government is also considering a ban on burkas and full veils in public places.

    The carnet du citoyen, a form of citizen's manual, will "follow pupils' civic education from primary to lycée … to better prepare them for the exercise of their future responsibilities" as citizens.

    "The Tricolor must be affixed to every school and the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, which constitutes our republican reference, must be present in each class," said Fillon.

    A "committee of personalities", made up of MPs, intellectuals and historians, will be set up to "follow the application of the measures decided today and to propose new ones", he added.

    He said the government would announce further measures in the coming months and that Sarkozy would make a statement in April.

    The debate on national identity, which Fillon described as a "popular success", has been fiercely criticised as xenophobic. Critics say it is playing to voters on the extreme right of the political spectrum in the runup to regional elections next month. However, Fillon said it would continue throughout the rest of the government's term, which ends in 2012.

    More than 58,000 French people have contributed on a site set up to encourage ideas and comments.

    "The subject has been dodged for too long. The question of national identity needs to be debated in the long time and in a natural, calm and non-partisan way because nothing is worse than silence. Nothing is worse and damaging than things unspoken and stigmas that we know have always played into the hands of extremists," said Fillon.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...dentity-debate

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    The Christian Broadcasting Network ^ seems to relish the possibility of a religious war.

    The French began making their bed in Algeria. You can't colonize a people and not accept some consequences.

    Apparently this was screened by the Pentagon back in 2003. I wonder how many of the Neo-Cons paid any attention to Pontecorvo?


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    A friend of mine who visited Europe said recently that it;s a "Grand Continent with 500 Million Grand ###holes." I beg to differ but one thing is for certain over there: they are having massive population changes and decline.

    The very essence of many of these countries is belonging to their local "tribe", many of which are dying as people decide not to have children but rather to buy Converse or UGG shoes for 100 dollars, Lacoste t shirts for 100 dollars, Levis jeans for 200-300 dollars, eating out at restaurants where you wouldn't let your dog eat for the lack of food safety and lack of service in the sense that you understand it, being a NYer, and paying hundreds of dollars for things like a decent pizza or a meal at TGIF. I mean there are families there who take their children to McD as some kind of luxury or exotic "meal night out".

    It has become a hedonistic upside down world where McD is a temple of food, and the cargo cult of paying 200 dollars for a ralph lauren or billabong shirt when practically no one there has ever surfed or played polo.

    They still havent come to terms with what the Japanese and Koreans are doing with phones and cameras and computers (and cars) and rely on old buildings for their sense of being.

    I fear for the future of Europe.

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    I think they will come around, but being in their own position for so long there are many that could probably still survive even if they were forced to close their doors and rely on their own resources (certain areas of Italy struck me like that, although they would probably not be as nice and clean if they did not rake in the tourist money along those SPECTACULAR cliffs.....).

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    Well, MY friend says Europe has laser robots and land sharks.

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    Candygram.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo-ny View Post
    Well, MY friend says Europe has laser robots and land sharks.
    The French have got one thing right - high speed rail. Other than that, there are few techs that aren't done better here. Would you prefer to buy the F22 or the Typhoon? An F/A-18 or a European version? A Boeing 747 or a Concorde? The problem is the tribal nature of Europe and the sheer dumb luck of history that has allowed (forced in a way) them to co operate over the last 50 years. Good luck getting spare parts in 10 years when the Eurozone has broken apart (as has been predicted).

    But that's not even the issue, because what I was talking about is happening at the atomic level. The people have chosen. And they want fake plastic junk made in China, even if it costs 5 days wages to purchase, so that they can show off to other members of the tribe. And it's not just fast food or plastic junk either, in societies where titles still mean everything, people are clambering for higher degrees to put after their names and which from my impression of it all are practically worthless except to their moms, who are undoubtedly proud. But back to the plastic junk for a minute, which is the real problem and about which you can read my take on it here.
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    ^ "Why would a douchebag who has never/will never play polo spend 100 dollars/5 days salary on a RL polo shirt?"

    What a fascinating take on this rarely broached subject.

    Thank God for Twitter. Wonderful to have these original & insightful thoughts so readily available. I will be following you from now on. More please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio View Post
    ^ "Why would a douchebag who has never/will never play polo spend 100 dollars/5 days salary on a RL polo shirt?"

    What a fascinating take on this rarely broached subject.

    Thank God for Twitter. Wonderful to have these original & insightful thoughts so readily available. I will be following you from now on. More please.
    Sure, then what did you think of what Dr Murray said in those 2 videos, and in my take on the subject (as written)? I am curious as to what you as a European would have to say about the substance of it. Yes, "substance" not "appearance". Difficult, isn't it.

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    Me ....as a European douchebag....find nothing strange about spending one quarter of my monthly salary on Ralph Lauren polo shirts.

    And you are right, I don't play Polo ...but then again, I don't douche either.
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    in societies where titles still mean everything, people are clambering for higher degrees to put after their names and which from my impression of it all are practically worthless except to their moms,
    I sense someone who does not have any of these "practically worthless...higher degrees".

    Yep. My Engineering Masters has been utterly worthless.

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    ^^^ Ninja, you didn't know? Engineering, has been useless since the fall of the Roman Empire.

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