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    Thanks for the info, Lofter. Something nice should rise on that site.

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    A few more images of what might have been downtown, these from JAMES ROUSSANT ... LOWER MANHATTAN PROJECT

    http://www.jamesrossant.com/manhattan.html

    (Now I see where Bloomberg came up with his terrible Seaport City plan)

    The proposed 800' Municipal Building can be seen just to the right of the WTC towers ...






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    Since we'll probably have to wait FOREVER for this little park to open, we might as well use the time to learn about the past ...

    The 1966 Plan for Lower Manhattan was preceded by the more extensive 1963 Plan, covering 60 acres and running all the way up to Canal Street, from Broadway to Baxter, with the future site of the NYPD HQ then slated farther north, on a big block at Canal & Baxter ... it looks like the open space at Collect Pond Park would have been retained ...

    HUGE CIVIC CENTER
    IS APPROVED HERE


    168-Million Project in City
    Hall Area Is Adopted by
    Planning Commission


    Garages Due in 1965
    Park to Be Enlarged


    NY TIMES
    April 19, 1963


    The projected $168,300,700 New York Civic Center became official yesterday as the City Planning Commission unanimously incorporated it into the master plan, the basic city map for planning improvements ...

    MAP of the 1963 Plan:

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    And here's an article from April 21, 1964 with renderings of the new City Hall Mall and Muncipal Building skyscraper (architect: Edward Durell Stone), written by ...

    Ada Louise Huxtable! Praising the modernist plan!!

    The Tweed Courthouse would have been demolished.

    54-Story Building Planned for Civic Center

    New Proposal Urges
    Single Skyscraper
    With Plazas


    City Will Still Need
    Land on Broadway
    and Chambers


    NY TIMES
    By ADA LOUISE HUXTABLE
    April 21, 1964

    Plans for New York's controversial Civic Center have changed again. The latest plans, about to be announced by Mayor Wagner, will add a spectacular new skyscraper to the Manhattan skyline ....

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    Bigger! Better! The New Collect Pond Park Is Open



    The long-overlooked Collect Pond Park has finally reopened after a major renovation, including an expansion at the expense of some parking. The weather today doesn’t show it off at its best, but the park—bordered by Lafayette, Centre, Franklin, and Leonard, more or less—is lovely! The centerpiece is a wide (but not deep) water feature that nods to the area’s history, as explained in a series of five panels. What I enjoyed most is the perspective you get on the surrounding buildings, some of which are old and grand, some of which are old and abused, some of which are contemporary—and that mix is, for me, what makes New York City architecture exciting. If nothing else, it’s one more newly refurbished place (after Federal Plaza) for local workers and folks on jury duty to sit outside—if they can move the chairs, which are so heavy I thought they were bolted to the ground. P.S. No dogs.











    http://tribecacitizen.com/2014/05/22...-park-is-open/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merry View Post
    Bigger! Better! The New Collect Pond Park Is Open
    http://tribecacitizen.com/2014/05/22...-park-is-open/
    It's technically "open", but far from finished. I was by there today, the entire perimeter within the park is under construction, the water is fully drained. the south east corner is closed and under construction, and none of the north end is complete. I'm surprised they're even letting people in

    Those pictures above are currently completely inaccurate

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    I talked to two of the workers today: The brand new water pipes broke, so the pond had to be drained and they've now dug up a huge hole in the SE area of the plaza.

    This park is a continuous cluster fluck. But money in the pocket of some lucky crew!

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    Our tax dollars 'at work'.

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    New Collect Pond Park, Popular But Still Beset with Problems

    By CARL GLASSMAN
    Aug. 04, 2014


    Collect Pond Park was closed for a week last month for repairs to a pipe connection. A portion of the park
    remains closed for unfinished work and the pond is still drained.
    Photo: Carl Glassman/Tribeca Trib

    Less than three months after its long-delayed opening, problems still plague Collect Pond Park.

    An oasis of green surrounded by the courthouses of the Civic Center, the park is a brand new $4.6 million makeover of a nondescript concrete plaza between Centre and Lafayette streets.
    Already it is undergoing repairs that have required digging up part of the park and draining its handsome centerpiece, a 100-foot-long reflecting pond.

    The park opened unceremoniously on May 22, nearly two years behind schedule and following a lengthy setback caused by defective waterproof sheeting installed in the pond. On July 17, the city closed the park for a week for what a Parks Department spokesman said was "a leak in a pipe connection next to a pump vault." Repairs continue in a small, closed-off portion and as of Monday, Aug. 4, the pond was still empty.

    "Once the contractor has installed the new pavers and completes the installation of the water flow control devices, this area will also be opened to the public," the spokesman, Philip Abramson, told the Trib in a July 29 email. "However we are aiming to fill the pond and turn on the spray feature soon."


    The pond of Collect Pond Park had to be drained in order to fix a leak.
    Photo: Carl Glassman/Tribeca Trib

    The park became an instant hit with a wide mix of users, Chinatown and eastern Tribeca residents, court workers, jurors and tourists—as well as some derelicts in the evening who had frequented the space before it closed for construction. Three years in the planning, the park sports a pond-spanning bridge, children’s sprinkler, seating and tables, trees and grass plantings, and historical markers that trace the area's rich, 300-year history. For some who come to enjoy Collect Pond Park, the latest problems have been a source of consternation, especially during the week that the park was gated. Jonathan Hollander, director of the Battery Dance Company who lives and works in a nearby loft on Broadway, said that it has been a favorite, contemplative space for getting away at the end of the day.

    "It's a beautifully designed, amazing space," Hollander said, lauding the landscaping plan that harkens back to the area's 18th century origins as spring-fed Collect Pond. "So clearly a lot of good thinking went into this. But clearly the engineering fell short."

    So, too, some say, has been the maintenance. Hollander said he has seen debris blown or dropped in the pond and called 311 to request scoopers for the public to fish out garbage.

    Elise Ward, another nearby Broadway resident who frequents the park, said that she had feared that maintenance would be a problem.

    "It was so lovely when it first opened and then it seemed as if it wasn't being watched," she said, noting that she has often seen "junk" floating in the water.
    According to Abramson, the site is cleaned "at least once a day."

    When the park opened, Skip Blumberg, president of Friends of City Hall Park, wrote to the organization’s members that "the fabulous quintessential urban pond, with elegant kissing bridge and total access, demands high maintenance to keep clean." The shedding trees, high volume of users, and presence of homeless people in the area will require additional maintenance staff and gardeners, he predicted.

    "Let's not quibble about a well-deserved celebration for this highly anticipated and greatly appreciated green recreational space downtown," Blumberg wrote. "But we shouldn't be ignorant of the maintenance needs that will assure a Collect Pond Park that we use and love into the future."

    http://tribecatrib.com/content/new-c....QqExBKbl.dpuf

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