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    I think Hillary would have been worse.

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    Maybe. I wasn't a fan of her either. Obama was a great candidate. He just turned out to be a spineless, waivering, non-committal, lying, corporate-shill. He's like Top-Gun of the lobbying sect. All about serving big money interests.

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    I won't vote for him again and I wouldn't be terribly upset to see any incumbent defeated in 2010.
    I won't be upset either and wouldn't want to vote for O-bumble BUT....
    If it comes down to him or pain in the a- er... Palin, he'll get it begrudgingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider View Post
    Obama was a great candidate. He just turned out to be a spineless, waivering, non-committal, lying,
    The Obameter by Politifact lists 500 of Obama's campaign promises and rates the promises kept, promises broken and compromises, as well as initiatives stalled and in the works.

    Politifact is a nonpartisan site run by the St. Petersburg Times in Florida. Though the ratings obviously require some judgment calls, overall they've done a thorough job. Check it out.

    For the short version, here are what Politifact considers Obama's 25 top promises.

    (How does Obama's record compare against what McCain and Palin would have done? Or what he could have accomplished with greater or lesser majorities in the House and Senate? Those things you can judge for yourself.)

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    I am dissapointed, but not surprised.

    The one thing we all have to remember is simple. The President does not run everything.

    If he went in and hard-lined every bit, nothing would get passed. Do I like this? No. I think they waffled on Health Care and have not shown ENOUGH spine, but squawking that he has not done every single thing he promised? Every thing he promised to try to do? (I think that is the key when you start to look at it).

    Our whole system has had enough time to ripen, and we are only now starting to significantly suffer from the rot that has been at the core for many years.

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    He didn't enact Healthcare Reform. He didn't enact Financial Reform. He didn't advocate for gay civil rights. He didn't even suspend the firings of gays under DADT. He bailed out the biggest corporations in America. He is beholden to Wall Street and the Insurance Industry. He failed on every front to get bipartisan support for any bill and surrenders any high ground to his opponents. He expanded the Bush surveillence of citizens. He increased troops in Afghanistan in one of the biggest foreign policy blunders of all time. We're still in Iraq. Insurance premiums are still rising. Everyone is required to have insurance, but no one can afford it. The fund to assist homeowners and help them avoid foreclosure is a monumental failure. He expanded offshore drilling for oil. Ultimately, it comes down to the question of change. Has anything changed? No. Has my quality of life, economic confidence, faith in government, or vision for the future improved under Obama? No. He and Congressional Democrats squandered power that was handed to them. Power to make significant changes. I loathe Republicans and can't imagine voting for one, but I have no doubt that Democrats should be turned out of office en masse. I'm not playing the game of "I'll vote for Obama, because Republican candidates are hateful and toxic." I'm not casting any votes against people or parties this election. I am voting 100% my conscience and I am voting FOR people who are best equipped intellectually and ethically for the job. The VERY last thinbg I want in office next term is a pperson with "political experience". F*ck that. An experienced politician is one that works the system harder for his own benefit than a welfare mom with four kids and one on the way. Hate Obama. Hate Dewmocrats. Hate Republicans. Between Bush and Obama, it is very clear that we have outgrown the two party system and that we have reached a point where this nation is ungovernable.

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    BR, clam down and start using paragraphs.....


    I know you are pissed, but you are an emotional person and some of the issues that were mentioned have not been actively been addressed by ANY politician to the degree that could get anything done.

    Am I advocating his lack of conviction? No. But I am also not blaming HIM for not being able to get 500+ people to agree on anything when most of them are paid off by corporate interests and polls telling them what they should be thinking.

    Would I vote for someone else if they showed that they could do more? Yes, but looking at the way things are going, we will probably have the same Gingritch/Huckabee/McCain kind of thing going into 2012.

    I would much rather have that sneeky smoker in office than any even resembling the others I mentioned.

    What we need to do is, instead of squawking online about it, is to get the media to think there is some money to be made in getting these guys to change. they already all jumped on the band wagon accusing that one woman of racism and it got an INSTANT reaction from the White House.

    Votes don't matter as much as broadcast public perception, and the only way to get THEM to say anything is if it will earn them money.

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    I agree with much of what BR has said. I'm pissed too.

    Some things Obama has done to set himself apart from McCain/Palin:

    1. Escalate a senseless and unwinnable war: √
    2. Ignore environmentalists and keep allowing oil companies to do more offshore drilling, while throwing a token amount at alternative energy: √
    3. Do nothing to advance gay rights: √
    4. Do nothing to reign in any of the pit bosses at the Wall Street Casino: √
    5. Press for financial reform that is not really reform: √
    6. Populate the White House with corporate lobbyists: √
    7. Marginalize progressives and liberals by omitting them from policy debate and insulting them in the media: √
    6. Make back room deals with health care lobbyists to ensure the status quo remains fundamentally unchanged before the debate was even begun: (mother****ing)√

    Wait a minute...woooops! come to think of it, these don't set him apart.... they are all the same things McCain/Palin would have done!

    Well, I guess I should still go on the roof and play a kazoo because at least Lilly Ledbetter got passed...congratulations, Obama... you are officially better than a two headed devil.
    (forgive me if I thought we were aiming a bit higher).

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    Well, like I said, shoot for publicity.

    We already know voting accounts for very little, but forming a group of people willing to fund a candidate does more than "supporting" him otherwise.

    Getting on the news would probably also work, but to do that someone has to run around Naked or something..........

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    I just typed out a long response and somehow lost it when I was prompted to re-sign in. Not sure why this happens all the time but it is kind of frustrating. I do not have the stomach to do it again.

    The gist of my reply was that despite Ron Paul's cravings, while Obama is not a corporatist, his administration has been nothing short of disappointing. Ill-conceived decisions on deep-water off-shore drilling, the ongoing boondoggle in Afghanistan, unemployment that continues to hover in the mid 9%tiles caused in part by a stimulus package that was too small by orders of magnitude, the lack or traction on the full progressive agenda, lots of talk but no action on tax reform, and a healthcare reform bill that falls short of the mark.

    Some of this is the result of the political reality of needing to be pragmatic and settle for 80% of what you really want. Some of it is due to the dysfunctions and corruptions of our legislative processes and both political parties. And some of it is just plain incompetence.

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    Edd, it just sound like he is trying to please too many all at once.

    You cannot get something like a stimulus that work w/o pissing of quite a few. That, combined with the non solidarity of the Democratic party........ We need more than 2 parties (although some European countries have shown that this does not necessarily mean that everything will work...)


    I am running out of periods......

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    Imagine if we were a Parliamentary type Democracy, with the factions we now see elected, represented and playing control games with the Legislative Branch.

    Not so sure we'd be coming up with better stuff than the compromises we see now.

    Maybe the Union has grown too big?

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    Too entrenched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider View Post
    He failed on every front to get bipartisan support for any bill and surrenders any high ground to his opponents.
    You're probably familiar with Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com -- in 2008, his statistical model accurately predicted which way 49 of 50 states voted for president.

    More recently, Silver built a model on whether more effective politicking would have strengthened the eventual health care reform law. His answer was, not much:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...hoices-on.html

    Now, you might disagree with some of Silver's assumptions. And certainly health care isn't the only issue where Obama has disappointed some on the left -- posts above mention lots of other issues. But I think this is an instructive example of the compromises required to win 60 votes and overcome repeated Republican filibusters in the Senate.

    It's worth a look.
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