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    I'm familiar with site and I am with the Obamameter and a host of other sites. I do read them.

    Most folks on here know that I'm an advocate of progressive politics. I'm not jumping on Obama from a rabid right-wing position.

    He is a disappointment. I don't see him as an effective "leader". He is not out in front of issues, but rather proceeds as a reactionary president. He continually lays blame on typical Americans for such things as the financial meltdown, i.e. we all played a part in this by living beyond our means... Actually, I lived within my means and never carried any debt.

    His approach to problems is to foist everyone (businesses, individuals, rich, poor, employed, unemployed) into one big ball when laying blame. The responses that are offered involve negotiations between corporations, governmental entities, and blue ribbon committees, that never present any solutions.

    Somethings aren't hard. Public polls showed that 70% of Americans supported the repeal of DADT. That was not represented in Congress or by the president. The president always talks about bi-partisanship. However, he fought attempts to audit the Fed(which had overwhelming bi-partisan support) and he fought against more strict financial reforms.

    He's got an administration loaded with corporate cronies, particularly financial people. As for transparency, I can't recall the last time he held a press conference.

    He lives in the same bubble that George W. Bush was locked inside of for years. I think this president and this Congress have completely let this nation down and I'm happen to see incumbents going down in recent primaries.

    I regret that I live in a district so gerrymandered that Democrats can anticipate a 98% landslide each election. In districts like mine, there are no realistic option. Well, actually, we get some good Green Party and Socialist candidates. Adding to my woes, Chuck Schumer lives a block away and I occasionally have to look at his smug face. He's another one that need to be rejected.

    I'm still of the opinion that the union should be dissolved. I'd rather live in a sovreign NY State than in this crap counttry.

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    Blegh do we have to include the entire state?

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    Somethings aren't hard. Public polls showed that 70% of Americans supported the repeal of DADT. That was not represented in Congress or by the president.
    This morning Dan Choi was on Democracy Now! and he had some thoughts about the President regarding the whole thing.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/4...ret_to_anybody

    also footage of Harry Reid being handed Dan Coi's Westpoint ring. Then you see the two hug after Reid tells him he's giving it back when the law changes. Amazing. Also there is Choi describing some of his challenges throughout this whole thing since coming out.

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    One big problem with kicking out a longterm legislator is the loss of seniority in the chamber, and the influence that goes along with it. Perhaps that might be best in some cases, but watch out what you wish for -- considering the others who might rise in place of those tossed out.

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    A small stimulus bill overcomes the Republican filibuster by one vote.


    Senate Clears Way for $26 Billion in State Aid

    By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
    Published: August 4, 2010

    WASHINGTON — The Senate on Wednesday cleared the way for a $26 billion package of aid to states and school districts, and the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said she would summon members from their summer recess to grant final approval to the bill.

    The measure had been hung up by partisan wrangling between Democrats, who said it was necessary to avert layoffs of teachers and cutbacks in services by strapped states, and Republicans, who objected to another round of government spending and characterized it as a political payoff to unions.

    The procedural vote in the Senate was 61 to 38, with the Maine Republicans, Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, joining Democrats in support of ending debate. The Senate is set for a final vote on Thursday before adjourning for its recess.

    The vote quickly prompted calls for the House, which adjourned last Friday, to return to Washington. And in a Twitter message Wednesday, Ms. Pelosi said lawmakers would reconvene next week to approve the bill and send it to President Obama.

    The legislation would provide $10 billion to retain teachers who might otherwise lose jobs to cutbacks, and an additional $16 billion to help states struggling to close budget deficits.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/u...5spend.html?hp

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    This is a pet peeve of mine. The states insist on maintaining a level of indepence from the feds when they see fit, but go begging to the feds when they're broke. The states and cities have their own taxing and bonding authority. Let them raise their own money.

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    Is that what you call "States' Rights"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    This is a pet peeve of mine. The states insist on maintaining a level of indepence from the feds when they see fit, but go begging to the feds when they're broke. The states and cities have their own taxing and bonding authority. Let them raise their own money.
    I have no problem with having a portion of my Federal Income Tax dollar being allocated to support public schools. Better that than supporting the military industrial complex.

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    Let them raise their own money.
    The housing collapse and recession devastated state and local revenues in the past two years. Cuts at the state and local levels are now a serious drag on the economy.

    The July employment report, released today, reports that private employers added 71,000 jobs last month. But at the same time, the states and cities cut 38,000 jobs. Those cuts, and the end of temporary Census jobs, led to a net job loss in the U.S. last month.

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    I am in partial agreement with the "let them raise their own money" on ly in that we are taking too much federal cash for MANY programs that were originally brought forth to try to help the nation, but are now misappropriated to help only the locals (Farm subsidies for Tobacco farmers would be one good example. The proliferance of Corn is another, and national laws permitting the copyrighting of GENOMES (such as the Soy Bean) is anothe example of both misappropriation and misapplication of intended legislation and funding).

    SOME things, however, are more difficult to warrant NOT funding for the risk of having dramatic discrepancies in our makup. We already have a bit of that in regards to things like education. I REALLY do not want the National Standards to be eliminated allowing some ignorant municipalities the "freedom" to teach religion in schools, abhor scientific fact that has only been contested this much since its original formation (evolution would be an example), or forbid personal freedoms that actually work against the very things they say they promote (sex ed/ teen pregnancy).

    Is this a control issue? Partially, but if you do not make sure the masses are educated, they can easily be led astray (as we have already seen many times both in the present and in history).

    So some things need to be funded at the national level. Getting a decent national rail system, a standard for communication, disaster relief and others come to mind. But other funding should be more the responsibility of the local governments. the trick is, sifting through them INDIVIDUALLY to find the ones that would effect the nation in a positive or negative manner and seperating those from the truly local responsibilities rather than just making a blanket statement saying "pay your own way".

    That would not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge View Post
    I am in partial agreement with the "let them raise their own money" on ly in that we are taking too much federal cash for MANY programs that were originally brought forth to try to help the nation, but are now misappropriated to help only the locals (Farm subsidies for Tobacco farmers would be one good example. The proliferance of Corn is another, and national laws permitting the copyrighting of GENOMES (such as the Soy Bean) is anothe example of both misappropriation and misapplication of intended legislation and funding).
    The programs you reference are Federal not State sponsored programs. True they are ill-conceived, but given they were soucred from Federal Legislation they are probalby not germane to this topic, i.e. no portion of the $28BN expenditure bill was earmarked for those programs.

    I mention this because I find it interesting that the same people who oppose a $28Bn expenditure bill to fund public education and similar initiaitves have no problem with the fact that by year's end we will have spent more than $1Tn, on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since their inceptsions. You can pay for a lot of teachers' salaries with that kind of cash.

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    Edd, that was what I was saying. That those Federal projects have been wasting money. I am against them and their spending (and therefore in agreeance with BPC).

    I also partially agree with you on the war front, but on a different angle.

    We should limit our world presence, period. We should have enough to satisfy conflicts like the one in Afghanistan, or to help out in places like South Korea (if the time came), but we do not need this large a standing army stationed throughout the world.

    Military might has yet to be proven to be an effective administrator of "Democracy".

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    Could you expand on why the construction would be "a disgrace and a slap in the face"?

    And what direct relationship this specific project has to do with The President?

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    And why you have not just posted this on the thread that is talking about it?

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    Terrorists brought down two of the most prominent buildings in NY killing millions of Americans and these terrorists were Muslim
    Can you please show me a document/proof that states there were "millions" were killed?

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