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    Talking The Benniest's MOVE to New York!

    I've told many of you, and some of you in person, that New York City is where I would like to end up after college, but would really like to get out of Des Moines, IA as soon as possible.

    The only thing that is keeping me in Des Moines, or Iowa for that matter, is my family and my friends here. I don't like the school I am currently enrolled in or even the classes!! I feel like if I am going to pursue New York, that I need to start now, because if possible, I would like to move out there before summer starts...

    I understand fully that this is not going to be easy and it's going to take time and research to get the money I need and to find a nice, safe place to live and of course ... a job.

    I'm highly considering at this point of dropping out of Des Moines Area Community College (my college at the moment) and working full-time someplace to raise money for my B I G move.

    Basically I'm posting this to get any opinions on this move and to get any help on apartment searching, jobs, etc, etc, etc, blah blah blah...... stuff like that.

    Any help or suggestions are appreciated! Thanks so much!
    Ben

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    Just wondering...

    How does someone who currently does not live in NYC get a job there?

    Is it a good idea to fly out, apply, and stay there until I get the interview call? Then explain to them in the interview that I currently do live in Iowa and that it will take me a few days to move out to the city?

    And also, which is more important at this point in my "journey" - apartment or job?

    Thanks guys!
    Ben

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    Job is more important.

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    Yeah, thats what I was thinking. And....being only 19 years old and "fresh?" outta college (sort of), what types of jobs should I be looking for? I'm thinking just the normal types of jobs like: Starbucks, Coldstone (i currently work here here in DSM), etc, jobs like that. Maybe 2 jobs?

    I dunnoo.... Tips? Thanks!
    BEn

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    The job market in NY is the worst I have ever seen. Stay in school, do not even attempt to move to NY unless you have a job. Or if you really want to see how bad it is, book yourself a job hunting trip for a week. Unless you are an accountant don't expect many job offers.

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    I knew I was going to get a reply like this....soon. Haha!

    I understand that the job market is currently in the crapper, but people who know me know that I have a passion for NY and will fight for a job and fight to live there..

    I forgot to mention that I want to go to school in NYC, if possible. I have no motivation here in Iowa and truely hate the current college I am in. Whenever I am not in class, I am a l w a y s off campus (and I live on campus), and always in the city (Downtown Des Moines).

    I just need to get out of here!

    ...and I am in no way, shape or form an accountant. I hate math.... LOL

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    Hating math might not help you when you're considering the pros and cons of a move to NYC in 2009 -- do the numbers (how much you have, how much it costs, how much you can earn, how much you'll need to survive year one) and that will tell you quite a bit.

    It's always been tough here -- but never more than now. Don't set yourself up to be easily beaten down because you're not prepared to meet the challenge that NYC poses. How the City appears over a two week vacation is not how it actually is after being here for 6 months and unable to make ends meet. Then it can be a hard and lonely town.

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    In my process, I plan on researching the money situations carefully, but I feel like I need to be THERE to experience it, because I can guarantee you that the prices here in Des Moines and the prices in Manhattan or Brooklyn are going to be entirely different. So I have no idea how to plan for meals, metro card, etc, etc. That's also another reason why I created this thread... To ask those kind of questions!

    I've only ever been in the city for one week by myself and before that, one week with like, 30something people. It's gonna be hard! I understand that, but I am uber pumped to start my life in a new city, with a new job, and with new friends.

    When I move out there, I don't plan to automatically start renting an apartment. If possible, I would like to get a fairly cheap (yet nice) room in an apartment somewhere that I can rent out till I get on my feet and start to get a feel for what I've gotten myself into......

    After reading media35's comments, I'm taking serious consideration on flying out to NY for a week or so, and looking at apartments and definitely, Definitely looking for job opportunities.

    Obviously CraigsList is my first option for searching for rooms to "live" in, but any other reccomended sites that could be useful when finding a place to live?

    Thanks!
    Ben
    Last edited by The Benniest; January 23rd, 2009 at 12:10 PM.

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    Bennie, get some sort of basic degree FIRST.

    I know you don't like it, but trying again later is even harder. Besides, this is only a year or two. Trust me, that's nothing.

    DeMoines may be boring as hell right now, but you still have online. Lame substitute, I know, but still.

    Get what you can NOW while it is the most convenient and cheapest, then focus on the jump. DON'T jump just because you feel like jumping.

    As for math? Pshaw! Easy peasy, and you won't, in most professions, need more than Algebra. Statistics is something a lot of accounting and financial sectors need and use, but it has very little to do with any other math you will learn in school, so don't let Calculus, pre calc or anything beyond Algebra worry you too much.



    SO bottom line is simple. Finish what you started first. Don't try a jump not knowing what you will do when you land. "Cold Stone or Starbucks" won't pay the bills in NYC unless you are living two steps up from dirt.

    You aren't missing anything by coming out here a year or two arlier. You have your mind set, you ill make the move.

    Just don't start a family out there and the move will be pretty easy!

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    Okay...
    I understand what you are saying, but I honestly do not think that I will be able to stay in this place for one and.a half to two more years!

    And on my current college... I am currently enrolled in DMACC as a Liberal Arts student. If you don't know what that is... English, Science, Math, History, etc. It recently just struck me that I am paying this college a thousand dollars or so to take literally, high school classes!! I refuse to do that! I hated high school and this only reminds me of it and the pathetic, worthless classes that go along with it! And because of these classes, I am in no way motivated to even get up in the morning and go to class! What the hell is this degree going to get me? Nothing.

    I would much rather be going to CUNY or BMCC than this college because in New York, I will feel motivated because I am where I want to be! I was doing some research this morning and saw that rthe yearly tuition for a NYC resident at BMCC is around $1,400ish. This is what I'm paying here at DMACC!

    I dunno... Just something that was on my mind. Lol! But... I'm currently on my Blackberry right now typing this and am about to go into a meeting type thing for my current job, so I guess when I get home I will finish expressing my thoughts.. LOL!

    Thanks again,
    Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benniest View Post
    Okay...
    I understand what you are saying, but I honestly do not think that I will be able to stay in this place for one and.a half to two more years!

    And on my current college... I am currently enrolled in DMACC as a Liberal Arts student. If you don't know what that is... English, Science, Math, History, etc. It recently just struck me that I am paying this college a thousand dollars or so to take literally, high school classes!! I refuse to do that! I hated high school and this only reminds me of it and the pathetic, worthless classes that go along with it! And because of these classes, I am in no way motivated to even get up in the morning and go to class! What the hell is this degree going to get me? Nothing.
    Whoa right there! That is where you have to pull up and wait a sec.

    Agreed that a comm college 2 year is not exactly going to get you on the board of HSBC, but at the same time it shows to potential employers you are willling to see something through to the finish.

    It is also, in many instances, used as a qualifier for further courses that may actually be more oriented towards what you want to be doing long term.

    Let me give you a direct example.

    I have not used differential equasions, matrix manipulation, fluid flow, surveying, statistics, inderterminate structures, finite elements (other than in an already made program), calculus, chemistry, english lit, Architectural history, etc etc etc.

    80% of what I took in HS, College and Grad School has not been used at all. Some have given me an understanding of whan t am doing and what I am using (Finite Elements) but none were vital in my accomplishment of the tasks I do at my job.

    But without them, I would never have GOTTEN this job. EVER.

    Our family has also had friends that went through the same situation back when Tech was first coming out. One friend constantly got passed up for promotion because he did not have "that piece of paper".

    I am not saying you should spend your life taking classes. There are professional students out there, but that is not really needed.

    But the one thing that a few years in the work force will teach you, you have a LONG time to think about what you have done once you start with this.

    19 years old means, unless you are one of the lucky few, that you have 50 more years left of working to jump around the globe or do what you want. Don't think that if you do not act now it will dissappear or you will go crazy or grow antlers (not in that order).

    So if I were you, I would at least finish up the "useless" degree. If you want to end it quicker, take more classes! The level you seem to be talking about does not seem to be the insomniac hair-pulling level yet (grad school can do that). Put your nose to the grindstone (ouch) and finish up the crap quicker so you can get to the real meat of things.

    I would much rather be going to CUNY or BMCC than this college because in New York, I will feel motivated because I am where I want to be! I was doing some research this morning and saw that rthe yearly tuition for a NYC resident at BMCC is around $1,400ish. This is what I'm paying here at DMACC!
    The real expense comes in the form of taxes, expenses, rent, etc etc.

    Get the basic degree first, look for a spot, maybe even as a TA at CUNY, and THEN jump. The better the foothold, the stronger the jump.

    I dunno... Just something that was on my mind. Lol! But... I'm currently on my Blackberry right now typing this and am about to go into a meeting type thing for my current job, so I guess when I get home I will finish expressing my thoughts.. LOL!

    Thanks again,
    Ben
    NP Ben. I am not saying for you to give up your desire to come here. But the feeling of "I gotta get out of here" is no reason to come to NYC. I know you have other feelings, but the problem is, you do not see the bad until you are neck deep in it sometimes.

    Learn to swim a bit before jumping in and while it may stink just the same, you won't be drowning in it!

    OK, enough analogies.

    Keep asking questions, start gettnig the information you need, have a plan A, B, C....Q. Have a way back out. DON'T BURN YOUR BRIDGES!!!!!! And we will talk more!

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    I agree with the WNY elders. Dont be too rash at upping sticks. I had a burning desire to move to NY since I was a kid. I did it slow, I knew that by getting a degree it would make moving to NY much better and it increased the chances of me succeeding in NY. I suspect there is an element that you hate your college now because you want to move to NY so bad. Dont be put off by what anyone is saying. I know many people around here moved to NY from other places, their advice is sound. You will definitely move to NY but do it smart.

    And what is the deal with US college courses? When I went to college in my first semester I was designing buildings! By the end of my third year I had designed more than ten but colleagues at my internship had done nothing like that after the same amount of years study.

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    Alanzo:

    For Architecture, for some reason they believe that your education in Art History is paramount to your success as an Architect.

    Now, i am not saying Architectural history does not help, and that it might help a bit with other aspects, but we have such a weird attachment to extraneous academia we forget what we are after in the first place.

    For Engineering, they are doing it just so you get a "taste" of everything before you decide on what you want to do. SO you get useless courses like Electronics (no, not digital circuits, solid state electrical design which is MUCH harder than digital AND practically useless in everything except home wiring and building Radio kits from Radio Shack.....)

    We pretty much got down to structural by Junior year. Bust since you are going "civil" in undergrad, you also learn wastewater, soils, fluid flow....

    Soil and foundations were handy. Wastewater management was one of the most boring and useless courses I ever took.

    But at least I know what a FLOC tank and BOD are!!!!!


    The only downside? Academia really does not focus on things you NEED for work. Concrete design (more than Concrete 101), connection design, actual DESIGN design, not "perfect world" theory..... And grad school gets totally advanced and/or theoretical.....

    Ah well.


    Sorry, a bit OT!!!!!
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    We get lectures, or did, on history of architecture at the same time as having design projects.

    Seems to me like in the US it takes much longer to be done with college. Ill be done next year with a MArch and I will be 24, is that young compared with the US or the same?

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    Well I just graduated from college this month and I am unemployed, and I am trying to find a job but nothing is really coming up. I got my degree in Journalism/Media Studies which of course in this economy is pretty bad!

    I live in NYC, and I have my entire life, but I was trying to move out to another city, maybe Seattle for a few years but that has entirely scrapped because I have no money and no way of moving on my own right now.

    I'd suggest to get some sort of degree and then try moving here, it won't be easy and I know you have heard that time and time again, but really its true lol.

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