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Thread: Chatham Green Apartments - 185 Park Row

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    Chatham Green's waves juxtaposed with Gehry's then still-a-work-in-progress Beekman waves.



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    Side Note: Yet another banal flat box of glass + stuff serves to obliterate once classic street views of our fair city.

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    ^ Agreed. Scumonkey, can you fix this one? .

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    Sorry, I think for this it might require an act from one's favored deity

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    Chinatown area is getting filled with similar Craptastic Architecture. Guangzhou Modern.

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    Not strictly Chatham Green related, but this composition holds a lot of interest. Those once seemingly beautiful buildings in the foreground are rather sad now.

    I lost my bearings a bit trying to work out exactly where they are. Looks like a bit of Al Smith Houses/Verizon Building/Pace University on the left; Municipal Building in the fog on the right and Chatham Green in front of it. Is that the Woolworth/Transportation Buildings to the left of the Municipal?



    I hope that's fog and not smog.



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    ^ Thanks very much Music Man . It's not far off from where I thought it was!

    That street view is somewhat more attractive.

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    Does anyone do an ounce of research around here?

    This was one of Robert Moses' Title 1 Projects which was built for middle income residents, not public housing for the poor. Considering what was there before it was a vast improvement. Though, like most other things Moses built, it imposes itself in the city in a way that cannot be easily worked around. Thus it will always stick out unless it get's bought out and demolished some day.

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    Does anyone read the threads around here?

    No one said that Chatham Green is "public housing for the poor." A question was asked:
    I assuem thsi began as public-sector housing?
    and never answered.

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    Taken from New York 1960, Robert A.M. Stern et al:

    With the demolition of the Third Avenue Elevated in 1955, the eastern edge of Chinatown was particularly ripe for redevelopment. In 1956 plans were announced for a large-scale housing development just east of Chinatown's traditional boundaries, north of the Brooklyn Bridge along Park Row. The project, Chatham Green, completed, in 1961, was a twenty-one-story, middle-income cooperative housing 450 families.

    Sponsored by the Municipal Credit Union and the New York State Credit Union League under Title I provisions, the project occupied a 4.5-acre site bounded by Park Row, Pearl Street, Madison Street and St James Place, located directly east of [Herman T.] Stichman's [New York State Housing Commissioner] unrealised project*. Given its proximity to the civic center area and to the financial district, Chatham Green was, as Manhattan Borough President Hulan Jack put it, a "central factor" in the city's plans to revitalize lower Manhattan as a "walk-to-work" clommunity.

    Designed by the firm of Kelly & Gruzen, Chatham Green was a colossally long brick-clad serpentine structure that reflected the form of Le Corbusier's Obus Plan of 1931 for the rebuilding of Algiers as interpreted by Alfonso Eduardo Reidy, whose Pedregulho housing project, begun in 1947 outside Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, had recently been visited by Barney Gruzen. Abandoning traditional interior corridors, Chatham Green incorporated open-access galleries that provided through-ventilation and a minimum of two exposures for each apartment.

    By 1979 Paul Goldberger found that the serpentine housing project, though "a well-meaning attempt at innovation", seemed "dated" and "too earnest, too eager to be 'designed' to be convincing."
    * Massive slum clearance of Chinatown and construction of three housing projects

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