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    Just a thought - how many of you actually spend your day visiting museums? (When in a foreign country or even in the country you live in....) NYC I believe has some really nice ones - so if you could name a few that would be really handy....

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    I do. I go to as many as I can when in other cities.

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    Three superb bite-size museums, each in splendid settings:

    1. Frick Collection: as many top drawer paintings as the Metropolitan without having to wade through the lesser stuff. Check out especially the El Greco and the Ingres. 70th street at Fifth Avenue.

    2. Neue Galerie: Austrian and German stuff, especially from the Art Nouveau; be sure you don't miss the Klimt that fetched $135m (the world record for a painting?). Be sure you grab a pastry at the Cafe Sabarsky inside the museum. Fifth Avenue at 86th.

    3. The Cloisters: a trip to the Middle Ages, where you can find a unicorn's horn. To get there, you have to pass through a more-or-less enchanted forest; and on the way, you might encounter a fieldstone cafe that serves brunch among other things. Thank Bette Midler. Fort Tryon Park at Manhattan's northern end. Take the A train to 190th Street.

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    (the world record for a painting?)
    not quite (but a close 3rd)
    The record is
    140 million -sold by David Geffen
    in a private sale:
    No.5 by Jackson Pollock

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    The Klimt was probably a better deal. Not only is the abstraction vastly more disciplined, but there's a realistic face to go with it. And all that gold...

    Btw, what was No.2 ?

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    Default Wikipedia -

    Adjusted price (in millions) Original price (in millions) Painting Artist Year Year of sale Seller Buyer Auction house
    $149.6 $140 ----------------------No. 5, 1948 Jackson Pollock 1948 2006 David Geffen David Martinez ? private sale
    $147.0 $137.5 --------------------Woman III Willem de Kooning 1953 2006 David Geffen Steven A. Cohen private sale via Larry Gagosian
    $144.4 $135 ----------------------Portrait of Adele Bloch-Bauer I Gustav Klimt 1907 2006 Maria Altmann Ronald Lauder, Neue Galerie private sale
    $136.1 $82.5 ---------------------Portrait of Dr. Gachet Vincent van Gogh 1890 1990 Siegfried Kramarsky family Ryoei Saito [1] Christie's, New York
    $128.8 $78.1 ---------------------Bal du moulin de la Galette[2] Pierre-Auguste Renoir 1876 1990 Betsey Whitney Ryoei Saito [3] Sotheby's, New York
    $118.9 $104.2 --------------------Garçon à la pipe Pablo Picasso 1905 2004 Greentree foundation (Whitney family) Sotheby's, New York
    $102.3 $53.9 ---------------------Irises Vincent van Gogh 1889 1987 son of Joan Whitney Payson Alan Bond [4] Sotheby's, New York
    $101.8 $95.2 ---------------------Dora Maar au Chat Pablo Picasso 1941 2006 Gidwitz family Sotheby's, New York
    $100.8 $58 plus exchange of works "Portrait of Joseph Roulin" Vincent van Gogh 1889 1989 Swiss private Collection Museum of Modern Art New York Private sale[5] via Thomas Ammann Fine Art Zurich
    $94.6 $71.5 ----------------------Portrait de l'artiste sans barbe Vincent van Gogh 1889 1998 heirs of Jacques Koerfer Christie's, New York
    $94.0 $87.9 Portrait of ------------Adele Bloch-Bauer II Gustav Klimt 1912 2006 Maria Altmann Christie's, New York
    $91.9 $76.7 (£49.5) --------------Massacre of the Innocents Peter Paul Rubens 1611 2002 an Austrian family Kenneth Thomson [6] Sotheby's, London
    $86.3 $86.3 Triptych, 1976 -------Francis Bacon 1976 2008 Roman Abramovich [8] Sotheby's, New York
    $85.7 $49.3 (F300) ---------------Les Noces de Pierrette Pablo Picasso 1905 1989 Fredrik Roos Tomonori Tsurumaki Binoche et Godeau Paris
    $85.6 $80.0 ----------------------False Start [7] Jasper Johns 1959 2006 David Geffen Kenneth C. Griffin private sale via Richard Gray
    $85.1 $57 ------------------------A Wheatfield with Cypresses Vincent van Gogh 1889 1993 son of Emil Georg Bührle Walter H. Annenberg [8] private sale via Steven Mazoh
    $83.2 $47.85 ---------------------Yo, Picasso Pablo Picasso 1901 1989 Wendell Cherry Stavros Niarchos Sotheby's, New York
    $80.4 $80.4 (£40.9) --------------Le Bassin aux Nymphéas Claude Monet 1919 2008 J. Irwin and Xenia S. Miller Christie's, London
    $78.3 $60.5 ----------------------Rideau, Cruchon et Compotier [9] Paul Cézanne 1894 1999 Whitney Family Sotheby's, New York
    $75.7 $72.8 ----------------------White Center (Yellow, Pink and Lavender on Rose) Mark Rothko 1950 2007 David Rockefeller, Sr. Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani[10] Sotheby's, New York
    $75.4 $39.7 (£24.75) -------------Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers Vincent van Gogh 1888 1987 daughter-in-law of Chester Beatty Yasuo Goto, Yasuda Comp. Christie's, London
    $74.6 $71.7----------------------Green Car Crash (Green Burning Car I) Andy Warhol 1963 2007 Private Collection, Switzerland Christie's, New York
    $70.8 $40.7 ---------------------Au Lapin Agile Pablo Picasso 1904 1989 daughter of Joan Whitney Payson Walter H. Annenberg Sotheby's, New York
    $70.6 $70.6 (£50)--------------- Diana and Actaeon Titian 1556-1559 2009 Duke of Sutherland National Galleries of Scotland & National Gallery, London private sale [9] [10] [11]
    $70.2 $38.5 (£20.9) -------------Acrobate et jeune Arlequin [11] Pablo Picasso 1905 1988 heir of Roger Janssen? Mitsukoshi Christie's, London
    $68.9 $55.0 ---------------------Femme aux Bras Croisés Pablo Picasso 1902 2000 McCormick family, Chicago Christie's, New York
    $67.9 $63.5 ---------------------Police Gazette Willem de Kooning 1955 2006 David Geffen Steven A. Cohen private sale, Richard Gray Gallery
    $65.0 $48.4 ---------------------Le Rêve [12] Pablo Picasso 1932 1997 Ganz family Wolfgang Flöttl [12] Christie's, New York.
    $64.2 $49.6 ---------------------Femme assise dans un jardin Pablo Picasso 1938 1999 Robert Saidenberg Sotheby's, New York
    $63.8 $47.5 ---------------------Peasant Woman Against a Background of Wheat Vincent van Gogh 1890 1997 Stephen Wynn [13] private sale via Acquavella Galleries Inc., New York
    $61.2 $35.2 ---------------------Portrait of a Halberdier Pontormo 1537 1989 Chauncey Devereaux Stillman Getty Museum Christie's, New York
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    As an investment, is art as good as gold?

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    Default is generally not a great investment...
    (unless you find a "known" piece in the hands of someone
    who doesn't know)

    hence the old adage "Buy only what you like!"

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    Somebody I know bought an oil painting at a garage sale for $20 and it turned out the artist had a whole page devoted to his work in a book.

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    Great to see that NY dominates that list.

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    I was in DC a couple of weeks ago and managed four museums in two days, barely. Until that point I had been near totally turned off from museums, but seeing four well-done ones has changed that.

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    Thanks for all that info it was really useful. I shall check it out as I do plan to come to NYC soon. I live in London at the moment and I've got to say that the reason why I am asking about museums is because the ones in London are just fantastic. Has anyone been to any of the ones in London?

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    The American Museum of Natural History and the Metropolitan Museum of Art are world class museums, well worth visiting. If you are interested in modern art, the Museum of Modern Art (MOMA) is world class as well.

    All 3 are comparable to the British Museum, V&A, or other major London institutions I've had the pleasure of visiting.

    In any other city, the Frick, Brooklyn Museum of Art, Whitney, Cloisters, Jewish Museum, Intrepid, Museum of City of New York, Cooper-Hewitt, and many others would be center-pieces of their tourist programs. In NYC, they're "smaller" museums. They are still large. Very large in some cases. Any of them would be well worth seeing.

    Are you interested in anything in particular? There are a lot of specialized institutions in NYC...

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    for something indigenous to this side of the ocean:

    The National Museum of the American Indian, in a splendid building at Bowling Green.

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