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    The permits, construction fencing, and renders I've seen do not support the purchase of the building next door. It will surely be redeveloped in the future, though.

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    Thanks for the update.

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    DOB indeed shows that the New Building Application for 19 Park Place, approved in 2008 and inactive since, now indicates that a Permit was Issued for Partial Job on 11.16.2011.

    The PW-2 on file shows that the GC is Calabrese Associates.

    Neither of the approved Structural & Plumbing applications tied in with the NB Permit have been updated since 2009.

    Leyva is still designing the 21-story building. The owner of 19 Park Place continues to be Nancy Luk / ABN Realty out of Valley Stream.

    The 5-story building next door at 17 Park Place has a different owner: Aztec Associates / Albert Laboz / United American Land, owner of a number of properties in Tribeca & Soho. The 17 Park Place building was recently renovated top to bottom. Recent listings show apartments there were renting between $5,100 / month to $7,800 / month.

    No way that 19 & 17 are part of a package for something new here.

    But the tenants in 17 might appreciate a little relief from the sun once the Silverstein / Stern tower rises across the street:


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    Thanks for the info., Lofter. That little building would be decent if it was cleaned up a little.

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    A more recent shot of 17 PP from Google Maps with the building next door down and the lot cleared: http://g.co/maps/s28wv

    It looks like they might have cleaned the bricks. But the same cruddy windows & mullions remain.

    And the interiors are rather rudimentary.

    17 Park Place used to be home to a photographer of postcards:

    Irving Underhill 1903-1960
    17 Park Place, New York, NY

    A photographer of New York City. He became a leading contibutor of images for many different postcard publishers.

    His name and copyright usually appears on these cards.



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    Looks like that's the soon-to-come-down 516 Fifth Avenue ^ at the upper right (with the arched windows)

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    Re: 516 Fifth

    That's so sad...after surviving through all this time and still looking so good only to get snuffed out for some faceless glass box.

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    For a short time in the early 60's it seems that 17 Park Place was home to the collective Center for New Art (later becoming "Park Place, the Gallery of Art Research, Inc." at 542 West Broadway and the basis for the Paula Cooper Gallery in SoHo):

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    The group of artists there included such notables as Forrest Myers, creator of The Wall at Broadway & Houston ...



    Also Mark Di Suvero (whose big red metal sculpture has received recent additional notoriety down at Zuccotti Park):





    Park Place gallery group, 1966:


    (L-R) Edwin Ruda, Dean Fleming, Peter Forakis, Tamara Melcher, Leo Valledor, Robert Grosvenor,
    Forrest Myers, Anthony Magar, David Novros, (Not pictured Mark di Suvero).

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    Re: 516 Fifth

    That's so sad...after surviving through all this time and still looking so good only to get snuffed out for some faceless glass box.
    I agree. That sucks.

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    Is there any attempt to landmark 516 Fifth underway?

    If not, is there anyone here with enough knowledge of the LPC's processes to start up an application?

    It would seem ludicrous for the LPC to landmark 510 Fifth across the street (a 2-story modernist glass troll of a building) while allowing this historic old beauty to fall to the Joe Sitt wrecking ball.

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    You can plead to Thor Equities here.

    To propose an individual property or a district for landmarking, go here.

    Fifth Ave. needs to be a landmarked district. Even the name has become synonymous world-wide with high fashion, upper class shopping.

    The buildings from that era needs to be protected from a gradual changeover to another glassy avenue no different than many other in the world.

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    ^^ Agree. Do we want Fifth Avenue's predominant architectural style going forward to be more like The Plaza ... or Trump Tower?

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    Interestingly though...on Fifth Ave, where would the landmark district borders be placed?

    I'd say from 59th St down to 42nd.

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    Initially, I would agree -- "Midtown Fifth" is the most heavily trafficked and important stretch of Fifth.

    However, ultimately, the city would be smart to have at least some protection of the entire avenue, including north of 59th (which is already protected via 3 historic districts up to 98th Street) and south of 42nd down to Washington Sq. Park.

    Going south from 42nd St. through K-Town, Flatiron and down through Union Square, Fifth Avenue is pretty uniformly impressive and grand. Without a doubt, though, it does need some TLC from 42nd through Madison Sq. Park.

    Interestingly, there are five "Fifth Avenue Historic Sites" in the US, none of which is in Manhattan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_A...toric_District

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    Shows you how vulnerable many parts of the city still is.

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