Reply With QuoteHappy New Year Alonzo-ny. It's very nice to meet you again.Originally Posted by Alonzo-ny
This thread starts to remind me to another that there was about Croatia
Turning to the mosques. What do you think is better? Having a large central mosque and the cleric have politically controlled or have dozens of small mosques scattered with radical clerics inside.
I believe that all these small mosques that have sprung up in France, Italy and Spain without license or authorization (illegal) in the last years should be closed. In a place like that in the Lavapies district of Madrid enlisted Muslims fanatics for the attack of the Atocha station.
Happy New Year Alonzo-ny. It's very nice to meet you again.
This thread starts to remind me to another that there was about Croatia
Last edited by Dr.T; January 5th, 2010 at 11:50 AM.
These are images of El Ejido (Almería, Andalusia Community, Spain). This is the most intensive farming in Europe. It is known as the "sea of plastic" by the huge number of greenhouses that exist in the region. Today many of the illegal immigrants arriving in Spain from Africa just in this area of the desert of Almeria work for miserable wages (although in his country are a fortune). The richness of the small town of El Ejido is huge (its people have one of the highest incomes per capita in Europe), but illegal immigrants are a second-class citizens without rights almost. This is an economy based on the maximum benefit and minimum cost, as their greenhouses go up to four harvests a year that nourish the vegetable markets in Europe. Inside the greenhouses in summer reaching up to 65 º C temperature. The living conditions of immigrants can see in the pictures.
Most of the thousands of illegal immigrants who work here are Muslims from North and sub-Saharan Africa (black African) countries such as Ghana, Mali, Senegal, Nigeria, Rwanda... In the Ejido illegal inmigrants are up to 107 different nations. It is estimated that every day crossing the border between Spain and France more than 100 trucks from El Ejido bound for large fruit markets of England, Germany, Russia, Norwa ... A new symbol of the wealth of this small town of Almeria is a residential skyscraper of 120 meters high currently being built there, which is the tallest building in Andalusia today.
Kazan, Russia has just added a main mosque into its Kremlin, to share the space with the cathedral:
I have moved the Grand Mosque thread from World Architecture to here.
yeah ... and, besides, that beat is already nicely covered by kakonsteraro.
Thanks Alonzo, I think is the best solution. This is a multifaceted problem that needs to be analyzed from different angles. Today in Europe we have a very serious problem with this new situation.
When Africans (North Africans, Berbers and Saharan blacks) come to Spain as illegal must follow a complex legal way to get to regularize their situation in Europe. The first step is to enter Spain: Each night dozens of small boats (crossing Mediterranea Sea in the darkness) arriving from Morocco and Algeria to the coast of Andalusia, Murcia and Valencia Communities. If the police intercepts are sent their countries within 3 days if they are Moroccans or Algerians. If they are from another country then go to a special prison called Foreign Detention Center. If extradition treaty exists between the EU and their country of origin they can return there, but to achieve the maximum is 60 days. If they are under 18 years then acquires the status of legal residents in Spain and sent to a special center called the Juvinale Reception Center and when they reach age 18 are free as legal residents in Spain.
What about the Moroccans or Algerians that police fails to stop at sea? What about the Africans after past 60 days will not get be extradited to their country? They are in Spain as foreign (non European Union members) in an "irregular" situation (as distinct "illegal").
Immigration Law in Spain says: if an irregular immigrant lives in Spain for 2 years acquired legal residency status if he commits no crime in that time. What immigrants do is then go to cities like El Ejido (Almería, Andalusia) or Torre Pacheco (Murcia) and they look for work in the greenhouses. They open an account at a bank office, are addressed in the municipal register and attend the nearest hospital (public health in Spain is free and unlimited universal, it is entitled to any individual who is in Spain regardless of legal status ). After 2 years have been living and working as a "slave" in Spanish greenhouses, the immigrant comes to the Immigration Administration and request a lawyer (lawyers in Spain are free if you are poor, regardless of your legal situation in the country) and demonstrates to the Administration with the roles of the bank, hospital and municipal registers that he was living for 2 years in Spain: at that moment is a legal resident in Spain and the European Union and can move freely throughout the European area (excluding the UK which not signed the Schengen Treaty) as well as Switzerland. This is the time in which the Algerians and Moroccans do pack up and they go to live in Belgium, Holland and France.
If they decide to stay in Spain are entitled to request family reunification and bring to Spain to theirs family (parents, wife and children). After 10 years how many Muslims can get into Spain and Europe? Countless, because no reliable statistics for their mobility within the European hinterland.
This problem in the case of Spain is exacerbated by 2 factors: the immigration of Latin America (Ecuador, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba ...) which adapt quickly and without social problems in Spain (we have the same language and religion) and the arrival of illegal citizens of the United States. Many Americans have no private health insurance to cover treatment of diseases which are very expensive (pancreatic cancer, AIDS ,...). What can do the Americans? They come to Spain as tourists and after 3 months are not going. As public health in Spain is free and universal (drugs too), they come to Spain to cure diseases that in the United States are not entitled to be treated. Today in Madrid is estimated that more than 5,000 Americans are in an irregular situation who come from cities like New York or Boston for surgery or medically treated in Spanish hospitals.
My father was American and Jewish, was born in Sacramento (CA, USA) and spent ten years in Silicon Valley (Palo Alto, near San Francisco). My mother is Spanish and Catholic, born in a small city called Guadalajara (50 km from Madrid). I am Spanish and Catholic and if tomorrow I want an American passport at the Embassy give it because I lived and worked 2 years in the U.S. (New York, Baltimore and San Diego) and I also have properties in San Diego (CA, USA) and Miami (FLO, USA). The Spanish engineers work in many places in the world and won lots of money:... Santiago Calatrava is not the only engineer in Spain.
Curiously, in forums Russians say that I am an "American bastard." I guess that is the problem of being European and being able to write and read in Spanish, English and Russian.
Happy New Year.
Last edited by Dr.T; January 6th, 2010 at 09:22 AM.
Mosque of Valencia (SPA)
Photos courtesy of Panoramio/ramaDan
Mosque of Puebla de Don Fadrique (Granada, Andalusia Community, SPA)
Mosque of Granada City (Andalusia Community, SPA)
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Sir Cam
Mosque of Torre Pacheco (Murcia Community, SPA)
Mosque of Toledo (Castilla-La Mancha Community, SPA)
I move the thread and now we get pictures of mosques.
*tears hair out*
Mosques of Ceuta (SPA)
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