Pork and premarital sex are not a ticket to hell for most in the 21st century, but the example of eating pork is clearly not what I was referring to. I see self avowed "Christians" in the media every day disproving your statement about what they consider "outdated". For example, Sarah Palin and millions of followers think the dinosaurs lived a couple thousand years ago, and a dude on an Ark saved animals two-by-two. Millions and millions of today's Christians ARE still pushing the ideas of the Old Testament. They are the Fundamentalists. I think you have heard of them. They have been screwing up this country(and the world) for quite some time.
The self-defined Christians that are blowing up doctors, legislating against homosexual equality and rights, and all of the other things I mentioned in my post are not quoting from the New Testament when they spread hate and destruction, ablarc. They still adhere to the Old Testament's hate and violence. Listen to so many of the Evangelicals, the Catholics, etc...The "abomination" drivel from Leviticus...it's the Old Testament. Dominion over the Earth...and who cares if we kill whatever we want...Old Testament. These books are from the old Testament and they are very alive and well, STILL drilled in to young Christian minds and reinforcing the intolerance and destruction that has typified so much of Christianity for centuries.
I believe that what you describe is just your Christian reading of the bible, a reading shared by more enlightened souls...an emphasis on the NT and a sincerely peaceful spirit. Yet, others who call themselves Christians will stand with signs that read "God made an Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" and other such rubbish... as justification for denial of equal rights in society, discrimination, or much worse such as the fate of Matthew Shepherd, at whose funeral "Christians" had signs saying he was burning in hell, while his family was putting him in the ground. You've got the Pope telling millions of Christians in AIDS ridden countries that condoms are wrong, because of those "outdated elements" you seem to suggest are a thing of the past. I disagree. I believe Christianity, as being practiced by billions, is an intolerant system of beliefs that still includes fundamental faith in much of the Old Testament. Those with a modern, tolerant interpretation of their religion (like a Christianity buffet, pick and choose what u like) are not who my post was aimed at. I have family and friends that attend their house of worship at holidays or whatever...I (mostly)respect their (mostly)modern form of religion. I want to make clear my post was aimed more squarely at extremists who have religion the way Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has it.
I really, really, don't like people who use religion as a basis for bigotry. And there we have that word again. :-)
I'd just rather see people worshipping, or practicing ritual, in small informal groups the way the very early Christians did it.
I've noted from some of your past posts that you believe Islam to be violent, based on your direct knowledge of things written in the Koran. It's a bit hypocritical, is it not, when you go on to say that the Christian Bible is only violent in parts...we'll just ignore the nasty half...a modern reading of it puts things like stoning someone to death in their proper historical consideration...yet you cast Islam with a much wider net? The same benefit of the doubt is not given to peace loving Muslims who pick and choose from their book the same way you do from yours. At least my bias against Abrahamic faiths extends to condemning all three of them equally. Three faiths whose inconsistency, hypocrisy, and occasional truths are hopelessly intertwined to the point where most adherents are unable to distinguish the pearls of wisdom from the hateful parts. That's why I say, at this point, I would rather see them, in their current organized "Earthly" form, relegated to the dust heap of history, in favor of science and less proselytizing or violence-justifying forms of spirituality.
Ablarc, I'm glad you are a peaceful man. It's sad that so many others who share your faith in Christianity don't conduct themselves as kindly.
It seems that a lot of people (especially new yorkers) LOVE to talk about these"terrorists" when they have a very little understanding of them.As an enemy of this country...I guess i will share a little.This country is run by COWARDS!They were warned several years ago to stay out of the holy land and underestimated ONE person who practically funds this war himself.This country WAS suppossed to be a democracy...a government "by the people , for the people". That alone justifies ANY means of attacks these people choose to committ against this country.HIT THE PEOPLE!The troops now have invaded their country and their forces are now the 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS" that are cutting the heads off the american terrorists.As a native american indian ,MOHAWK to be precise, I damn well understand these people and their plight.They too do not want to end up on a reservation .they too do not want to lose their land. they do not want to be subject to this countrys rules and laws.FIGHT ON!!
^ I completely disagree with the above.... but this little chart is interesting: the number of Muslims killed by Americans in the last few years vs. the number of Americans killed by Muslims:
(Moderators, should this and Post#20 be in the "Hate Watch" thread?)
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The latest round of terrorist attacks began after the Gulf War in 1991. How should the Kuwait invasion been handled? Several Middle East nations - Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, UAE, Egypt - were in the coalition.
Take us through what countries you're talking about. 09/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The subject of this thread is from Nigeria.The troops now have invaded their country and their forces are now the 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS" that are cutting the heads off the american terrorists.
Do you have any evidence that these "freedom fighters" represent the wishes of the majority population of their respective countries? What is a jackass from Nigeria fighting for?They too do not want to end up on a reservation .they too do not want to lose their land. they do not want to be subject to this countrys rules and laws.FIGHT ON!!
There are reports that support for terrorism among Middle East populations has been declining over the last decade.
if i can answer both of you guys. i dont know how to paste here so bare with me;the one guy who has funded this whole escspade is osama ladin.before the u s was even in kuwait they were told to get out of saudiby bin ladin and they didnt listen cause they didnt think he was capable of achieving the victory that he feels he achieved.ever since this country designed the u n and assisted to achieve a jew state and stole land from the palestines in the process...there has been trouble. i think that answers your question if not ill clarify it later again. this didnt happen over-night like g,bush tried to portray that he didnt know what hit him.
and yes let me say it again...as a Mohawk Indian living in this land of my ancestors that were once free and now held in bondage to some immigrant government...YOUR DAMN RIGHT : I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.
hypothetically, if the ayran nation captured the president of the u s and turned them over to the Mohawk Nation to be held accountable under OUR laws...how would the citizens react?
Well they did it to Saddam...and as far as we are concerned hes a nother Geronimo!this country did the same thing to many of our chiefs.too many. its time they too are held accountable .dont worry bout me in a plane ...i dont like flying!!
i can go on and on here but you are american and wont see someone elses side of it no matter.Look at this visa mess now to get out of the country...you cant even GET OUT if they deny you a visa!! americans are loosing more and more of their freedoms everyday and they are too ignorant to see it.might as well build a wall around the country.
anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. only americans are that brain-washed that they believe the piece of paper gives them that right. so what happens when they lose the paper?dont say they cant because theyve lost amny treaties!!
Please, give me a break. Seems like an insult to Geronimo.Well they did it to Saddam...and as far as we are concerned hes a nother Geronimo!
I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.The Creator speaks to one group, but not the other. I just love it when people not only know IF and WHO the creator is, but what he thinks.anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god.
Most of the world, actually.anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. only americans are that brain-washed that they believe the piece of paper gives them that right.
What happens if there is no god?so what happens when they lose the paper?
Although the many treaties between the US and Native Americans weren't actually lost, but rather continually abrogated, ignored, illegally revised and minimized.
Fool me once ... and all that (despite how GWB puts it)
In this instance, maybe it's the recent non-stop snow up in Fulton that's exacerbating things.
Fortunately, he couldn't ignite the exposive powder and he was stopped from carrying out his sick sadistic mission. Thank God that he couldn't! The Lord was with those people on that plane!
Sadly, he's now a sick demented psycho who still might try to commit suicide on himself, possibly to try to avoid going to trial and prison.
So what do you think the solution here should have been - should they have annihilated their enemies in the middle east completely?
Or go one step further than they actually did do, and emulate America in the 19th century; stuffing their defeated enemies into squalid and shameful "reservations" - living victory monuments and warnings to America's enemies of the consequences of opposing God's divine plan (as expressed through the holy trinity of his representatives on Earth - The President, Congress, and the Supreme Court)?
EDIT: Let me add here that the above inflammatory crap was all tongue-in-cheek. There are no simple reasons why terrorism exists. And it is not a new problem. American's were terrorized 200 years ago by British press gangs - or familiarly - from the "shores of Tripoli". 150 years ago it was Bleeding Kansas. 100 years ago it was anarchists. 50 years ago communists.
As long as there is power and wealth here - someone will be trying to buff their image or making some "point", by blowing up or killing Americans.
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