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Thread: Rate the Decade 2000-2010

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    Default Rate the Decade 2000-2010

    Since no one gave me a sub-forum for rate our developments. We'll just get to the bottom line.

    Overall, how do you feel the development of the past decade has affected our cityscape.

    Anything Over 5 = Positively affected the cityscape
    Anything under 5 = Detrimentally affected the cityscape

    Though not caused by development, the most drastic change to the cityscape and skyline is by far the destruction of the WTC.
    I sure didn't expect the city to recover so quickly.

    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 13th, 2010 at 10:03 PM.

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    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 13th, 2010 at 11:28 PM.

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    I'm giving it a 6. We got a lot of cheap construction and a lot of lousy designs. Considering the sheer volume, I think we could have and should have seen more buildings like Hearst, NYTimes and IAC. We didn't.

    Additionally, one can't give a rating the the "city" without taking into consideration ALL 5 Boroughs. In Brooklyn, we saw horrendous development that, in some cases, completely destroyed the character of some neighborhoods. On 4th Avenue we saw an upzoning, which created such a swath of mortifying new buildings, that downzoning became urgent.

    I also think the rating cannot only consider real estate development, but also needs to consider the infrastructure it created or burdened. We have not seen any major infrastructure capacity improvements other than the continued march of the new water tunnels toward downtown and Brooklyn. There were no mass transit projects that increased capacity, although we saw new stations in Coney Island, Jamaica, and (coming in under the buzzer) Flatbush Avenue. We have a new Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a new 37th Street NY Waterway Terminal, and a new WTC NY Waterway Terminal. Although 72nd Street and 42nd Street subway stations had expanded access, nothing happened at track level. Same capacity. The only station that increased capacity was South Ferry, but it didn't expand passenger capacity only train length capacity.

    The truly positive aspects of the decade were the expansion of park space in Manhattan, the reclamation of roadways for pedestrian uses and bike lanes and paths, and new school construction.

    The very worst aspect of the decade was the giveaway of tax revenue in the form of corrupt 421 abatements to luxury condos, huge giveaways (aka incentives) to commercial developers, hijacking tax payer dollars for new stadium projects, and the complete failure to create middle-class (aka "affordable housing").

    The winners: The rich and elite.

    The losers: The middle class and working families.

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    Six skyscrapers (500' +) were built Downtown:

    Seven World Trade

    Goldman Sachs

    The Barclay Tower

    2 Gold Street

    Liberty Plaza

    William Beaver House
    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 13th, 2010 at 09:28 PM.

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    Public Projects Downtown:

    Museum of Jewish Heritage Expansion

    Battery Maritime Building Renovation

    African Burial Ground National Momument

    Bowling Green Station Canopy

    Eliasson's `Waterfalls'

    Greenwich Street Plaza

    Irish Hunger Memorial

    Zuccotti Park (formerly Liberty Plaza Park)

    Wall Street Ferry Terminal Building

    Vesey Street Pedestrian Bridge

    Teardrop Park

    Skyscraper Museum

    Rector Street Pedestrian Bridge

    New Winter Garden

    New South Ferry Subway Terminal

    Whitehall Ferry Terminal

    55 Water Street Plaza Renovation

    The World Financial Center Ferry Terminal

    WTC Temporary PATH Station I

    WTC Temporary PATH Station II

    WTC Temporary PATH Station III

    Tribute in Light

    Brooklyn Bridge 125th Anniversary
    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 14th, 2010 at 10:50 AM.

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    I gave it a 3. Some good projects built. The big majority of new projects were bad if not atrocious. Also existing beauts were destroyed.

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    I gave it a 5.

    We got some atrocious developments (McSam's, Poon's, O'Hara's, Kondylis', Avalon's, skyscrapers with a 60-story blank wall on one of its sides, things with stripes and crazy colors, destruction of many historic beauties) but we also got some good ones that improved the skyline or was built over vacant lots that improved its block: One Bryant Park, NY Times, 15 CPW, Conde Nast, Hearst, etc.)

    I want the next decade to be at least an 8 (and hopefully the Tower Verre built the way Nouvel originally designed it).

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    I gave it a seven because overall the skyline is better now.

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    ^ Has it ever really been better since 1929-59?

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    It's such a mixed bag.

    We lost a lot of buildings, a lot of junk was built.... but so much of the city is now open for enjoyment. Really. 25-30 years ago the city was a blast but so much of it was dangerous, empty of people, of life. A lot of neighborhoods were off-limits. A lot of these developments have brought in people and businesses. You lose something. You gain something. I don't know.

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    I gave it a 5 and echo a lot of what is said above.

    -Massive proliferation of the truly awful, cheap, damaging, exposed-floorplated, ventilation-grated, colored, elevator box-topped, blank-sided, bank-branched, duane-readed "luxury" apt/dorm/hotel, as designed by Kaufman, O'hara, Poon, et al.

    -Destruction of some classic buildings that should have been LPC-protected OR incorporated into the new buildings (The Drake, Union Carbide Building @ 300 Madison, Lexington YWCA, 50 West, 41 Bond, Newsweek, Centurion townhouses, etc.)

    -Delays, scale-backs and lack of progress with major development projects, including MTA (Fulton Transit Center, Second Ave Line, Extension of 7 line), Con Edison Site, Atlantic Yards, WTC & West Side Railyards.

    - A lot of great new parks/public spaces (e.g. Hudson River Park, Riverside Park South, Teardrop, High Line, Dewey Sq.)

    - Some good to great new towers (e.g., 15 CPW, New York Times, BofA, Bloomberg, Time Warner) and low-rise buildings (e.g., IAC, 40 Bond, Cooper Square Hotel, Apple Cube).

    - Near completion of Battery Park City

    - Restoration of some classics (e.g. 90 West, Barclay-Vessey, 19 Rector, 15 Broad, 2 Chase Manhattan Plaza, The Plaza)


    A lot of skyscraper development was middling. Buildings by Kondylis, SLCE, SOM, etc. generally did not take away away from already-tainted blocks and added some new investment and gentrification, but didn't drastically improve the cityscape.

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    ^ A really good list. Hard to argue with any of it.

    RandySavage, you make sense so much of the time.

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    ^ Wish I could get those around me to share that opinion!

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    Default Downtown

    The rest of Downtown's buildings from the last decade.

    Battery Park City

    Millennium Tower Residences

    Millennium Point

    The Visionaire

    Riverhouse, One Rockefeller Park

    River Watch

    Tribeca Pointe

    Embassy Suites New York

    South Cove Plaza

    Tribeca Park

    The Verdesian

    Tribeca Green

    22 River Terrace

    The Hallmark

    The Solaire

    Downtown's developments outside of BPC are quite nauseating.

    Manhattan Family Court Renovation

    75 Wall Street Penthouse

    15 Cliff Street

    Holiday Inn Wall Street


    124 Water Street

    130 Fulton Street Addition

    2 Gold Street Tower II

    Javits Fed Broadway Plaza Pavilion

    17 Ann Street

    The District Penthouse

    Wyndham Garden Inn

    For the once premier business district in the world, this is pitiful. Next up TriBeCa.
    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 14th, 2010 at 10:52 AM.

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    The 130 Fulton Street addition made me gasp. Landmarking the whole district is probably the only solution.

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