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    "Makes it all good"? No. Is the proper response? Yes.

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    .. and holding the attacker responsible for her/his actions makes it all good, right?

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    Great. So I guess the pain and suffering of the victims and their families is a mere annoyance, an inconsequential byproduct.

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    Collateral Damage of Well-Armed Freedom.

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    What to do about the resulting mayhem?

    I'd say, "Get over it!" But that just seems wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    The "well regulated militia clause" is a preamble, it a very short way of saying why they wanted an armed populace. And, yes, I'm only using the Federalist Papers and an aid to try to answer a question you asked.
    You keep inventing terms for what's in the Constitution.

    Where did you get preamble?

    The entire amendment is one sentence, 27 words. A well regulated militia is 15% of the text. Why does it need a preamble? And if that phrase is a preamble, it should explain the purpose of the rest of the amendment. The Constitution itself has a preamble, which states why they drafted a constitution.

    Do you realize that you stated my side of the argument?

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    These people have got to be kidding, right?

    Shiva: How about they all forget the penis extenders and just be people instead of paranoid morons?
    Quite.


    Open Carry Texas Schedules New Date For Armed March Through Black Neighborhood

    By: Justin Baragona



    Open Carry Texas, a gun rights advocacy group, announced that they have scheduled their march through the Fifth Ward in Houston. The march, which was initially scheduled for Juneteenth but postponed at the last minute, will feature open-carry enthusiasts marching through the streets of the predominantly black Houston neighborhood carrying long assault rifles. The group has gained notoriety in recent months due to their publicity stunts which have featured members entering restaurants and stores with their assault rifles on full display. Apparently, the group has decided to up their game.

    CJ Grisham, the founder of Open Carry Texas, decided to address the criticism his group has encountered regarding this planned march. When the march was first scheduled, Grisham and the group came under intense criticism for a variety of reasons. Even after OCT postponed the march, the group was under fire due to the appearance of racial insensitivity. OCT posted the following late Monday evening on the group’s website:

    “We are not going to be marching through 5th Ward,” said OCT Founder CJ Grisham, “we’re going to hopefully be marching with 5th Ward.”

    Open Carry Texas believes that Texas’ gun laws continue to be rooted in racism. In order to obtain a concealed handgun license in Texas, one needs to shell out over $250 in fees and requirements to do so. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the poverty rate in Texas was 14.4% in 2010, the date of the last census. In the African-American community, the poverty rate was 27.1%, nearly twice the state poverty rate and almost three times higher than non-Hispanic whites. In other words, the extreme cost to obtain a license in Texas – over $250 – disproportionately prevents African-Americans from getting one.

    Texas law prevents anyone convicted of a Class B misdemeanor or higher from qualifying for a concealed handgun license for at least five years. The convictions do not need to be related to violence or even involve a gun. Some examples of “crimes” that will cause you to lose your CHL or fail to qualify for one are littering, writing a hot check, or even certain traffic infractions not involving another person.


    Much like the Jim Crow laws of the past, Texas gun laws seem geared towards preventing the minority community from exercising their rights. We aim to change that.

    Open Carry Texas also announced that they’ll have a real-life black person marching with them, Maurice Muhammad. As Liberaland pointed out, Muhammad is a radical who promotes the killing of police officers on his Facebook page. He also is apparently the leader of a group that openly wishes for a race war. Liberaland also pointed out that OCT’s blog entry is more about Grisham’s own issues with the law than his concerns about the black community. While he talks a big game about unfair laws regarding gun ownership, and he positions himself as some kind of civil rights fighter, the reality is that he himself has a conviction on his record and cannot apply for a conceal-carry license. Which is likely the reason he started this group in the first place.

    Anyway, these gun nuts plan on marching through the Fifth Ward on August 16th. Once again, like they claimed last time, this is only supposed to be a peaceful demonstration as well as a charitable action. They just want to educate the residents of the area. They positively, absolutely do not want anything unseemly or ugly to occur. Nuh-uh. No way. And this time, no one can claim it is all just a bunch of white guys marching through a black neighborhood carrying a bunch of guns. Because they got a black guy with them. It is totally cool now.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/...ghborhood.html

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    If anyone believes this pile 'O..., I have a bridge to sell them

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    As sad as it is... I hope they all shoot each other.


    The REALLY sad part is, they would blame it on not having enough guns to stop what happened.

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    Girl, 9, Accidentally Kills Instructor While Firing an Uzi

    Aug 27, 2014, 12:59 AM ET
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    A fatal shooting occurred at a gun range located at Last Stop Arizona, Aug. 25, 2014.
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    A 9-year-old girl being taught how to use an Uzi sub-machine gun lost control of the powerful weapon and accidentally killed her instructor, authorities said.
    The shooting happened at 10 a.m. Monday at Bullets and Burgers, a gun range within the Arizona Last Stop tourist recreational complex southeast of Las Vegas.
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    According to the Mohave County Sheriff's Office, the instructor –- identified as Charles Vacca, 39 –- was standing next to the girl, teaching her how to use the Uzi. The girl's parents, who are from New Jersey, stood nearby, capturing video of the experience.
    Sam Scarmardo, a former Lake Havasu City Council member who operates the shooting range, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the girl's parents signed waivers saying they understood the rules of the range and were standing nearby, video-recording their daughter, when the accident happened.
    "I have regret we let this child shoot, and I have regret that Charlie was killed in the incident," Scarmardo said.
    The girl, in a gray T-shirt, pink shorts and her hair in a braid, can be seen in the video being advised to adjust her feet. "All right, go ahead and give me one shot," Vacca is heard telling her.
    The instructor praises the girl for the shot and then tells her, "All right full auto."
    As the girl pulled the trigger, and the recoil caused her to lose control of the gun, with Vacca accidentally shot in the head, the Mohave County Sheriff's Office said. Vacca was flown to the University Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, authorities said.
    Sam Scarmardo, the gun range operator, was distraught about Vacca's death.
    "It's like losing a brother," Scarmardo said. "These aren't employees or associates of ours, these are family. We're all family."
    Many gun ranges allow children who are 8 years and older –- with parental supervision –- to shoot firearms, Scarmardo said.
    "We instruct kids as young as 5 on .22 rifles, and they don't get to handle high firearms, but they're under the supervision of their parents and of our professional range masters," Scarmardo said.
    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    <sighs while SMH>

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    You do know that the first gun laws in NYS were put in place to keep blacks from owning guns. There's a long history there.

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    Everyone scares the crap out of everyone else, everyone buys more guns, and the gun industry laughs all the way to the bank. NRA mission accomplished.

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    What in the world are they going to do over at Faux "news" if more images like this one start showing up in the press? They're going to have to choose between the open carry nuts and making people afraid of black people.
    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    You do know that the first gun laws in NYS were put in place to keep blacks from owning guns. There's a long history there.
    I'm not sure if you intended this factoid to discredit the history of gun control, but I think it highlights something else.

    In many of these similar issues - gun rights, Second Amendment, big government - there's a thread that seems to link disparate viewpoints. Maybe racism.

    Libertarians and the Far Right are up in arms about IRS abuses. It's a well known fact that black people are lazy, and pay no taxes.

    Their response to police abuses is much more muted. Paramilitary tactics are justified to maintain order. Yet to a person "concerned" about the intrusion of government, what better example could their be than police overreach?

    Contrast the response of the Right to what happened in Ferguson to what happened with Cliven Bundy in Nevada. Federal officers were threatened with firearms, verbal threats to use them were made publicly. No response. As far as I know, no one was even arrested.

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