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    Quote Originally Posted by ForestHillsGardens View Post
    it is going to shove tons of traffic to the one way streets and cause tons of traffic.
    Every time a street is closed or narrowed, a traffic nightmare is predicted. Never happens.

    I would rather see a BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) that has it's own 'gated' ROW (Right-Of-Way).
    Emergency vehicles will need access to the ROW. A raised divider with sloped sides is all that's needed to keep traffic out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Park the damned cars at the perimeter of Manhattan and use public transit / taxis to get around midtown.

    Anyone needing to get from Jersey to Long Island / Queens / Brooklyn (or vice versa) should go around to the north or south on highways / expressways rather than cutting across Manhattan
    I agree. Pedestrianizing more of Manhattan will be a very good development.

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    @lofter1:
    Well, Midtown Manhattan is really congested but I do not believe people circling around Midtown will solve the problem. I feel an Underground Expressway would solve the problem, maybe extending the I-495 and running it under 36th St. would solve tons of traffic problems in Midtown. It is constructed like a Tunnel again so Lincoln Tunnel and Midtown Tunnel can be connected without the hassel of crossing into Manhattan congestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Every time a street is closed or narrowed, a traffic nightmare is predicted. Never happens.

    It is not literally going to be narrowed, it is just making the 'Bus Lane' a right of way for Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) aka Select Bus Service in NYC (SBS) traffic.

    Emergency vehicles will need access to the ROW. A raised divider with sloped sides is all that's needed to keep traffic out.

    Obviously Emergency Vehicles can access the ROW, I feel some slim cone like things can help more too. A raised dividers won't block SUVs unfortunately.
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    Traffic cones forever.

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    @ ForestHillsGardens: I can't quote your remarks when you format them inside my quote.

    It is not literally going to be narrowed,
    The street will be narrowed for traffic. Four lanes to two lanes.

    A raised dividers won't block SUVs unfortunately.
    Do you really think cars jumping a curb into a restricted lane on 34th St is going to be a problem? And how would cones stop them if raised dividers won't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Traffic cones forever.
    I understand they'll have a good supply at Lincoln Center.

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    I think that a very large congestion fee would solve the traffic problem. Driving in Manhattan should be viewed as a luxury that people can choose to pay for.

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    Here's some news from NY1.com (23 April 2010). Hopefully, this plan will be replicated on 42nd Street and 57th Street!

    http://www.ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-ne...nges-to-follow.

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    E 34th St is a neighborhood street, not a “Transitway” or a “Corridor”. Thousands of people including the elderly and children live on the blocks from Madison Avenue to the river and approximately 100 neighborhood shops (Most owned by small business men and women). The restriction of the two northern lanes of 34th St east of 5th Avenue to only dual directional bus traffic and the isolation of those lanes with a concrete barrier will block day to day access and emergency service access to apartment lobbies, medical offices and stores.
    The BRT will throw off increased pollution and noise into adjacent apartments increasing the risks to the health and well being of the residents of 34th St. Additionally the excess traffic will have to migrate to neighboring streets from 30th to 40th that will create log jams from re-routed trucks and cars on streets where schools, day care centers, houses of worship and many thousands of more apartments exits.
    This is the modern-day equivalent of the South Bronx’s “One Mile” where Robert Moses, according to the “progressive” traffic planning of the time sliced a close neighborhood in two with an expressway creating the demise of the neighborhood.
    Murray Hill neighbors are aghast and will take their displeasure to the Mayor, Borough President, City Council President and Council Member as well our State and Federal representatives. We refuse to be pushed aside by arbitrary plans destructive to our community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjh22 View Post
    The restriction of the two northern lanes of 34th St east of 5th Avenue to only dual directional bus traffic and the isolation of those lanes with a concrete barrier will block day to day access and emergency service access to apartment lobbies, medical offices and stores.
    Not true. The barriers will be low curbs.

    The BRT will throw off increased pollution and noise into adjacent apartments increasing the risks to the health and well being of the residents of 34th St.
    Any pollution caused by the BRT will be greater than what is lessened from restriction of traffic? If yes, provide your data.

    Additionally the excess traffic will have to migrate to neighboring streets from 30th to 40th that will create log jams from re-routed trucks and cars on streets where schools, day care centers, houses of worship and many thousands of more apartments exits.
    Ditto above.

    This is the modern-day equivalent of the South Bronx’s “One Mile” where Robert Moses, according to the “progressive” traffic planning of the time sliced a close neighborhood in two with an expressway creating the demise of the neighborhood.
    Other than your sound-bite, explain how a NEW expressway cutting through an existing neighborhood is the same a lessening traffic from an EXISTING street.

    We refuse to be pushed aside by arbitrary plans destructive to our community.
    In what way is the plan arbitrary?

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    If you know what's good for you you'll have that report on Mr. Zippy's desk first thing in the morning.

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    Pedestrian plan for 34th Street gets boost with $18M grant

    By Pete Donohue

    An ambitious city effort to speed up buses along 34th St. won an $18 million federal grant, officials announced Thursday.

    The design for the 34th St. Transitway isn't finalized, but the federal government still tapped it for the largest bus grant from a pool of $293 million being distributed for mass transit upgrades nationwide.

    The Transitway will include several features for speeding up sluggish bus traffic, including technology that extends green lights for approaching buses and creates barriers to keep cars out of bus-only lanes.

    Wider sidewalks and center islands will make it safer for pedestrians, who number more than 5,000 an hour on 34th St. during during peak times, officials said.

    "Eighteen million dollars is a great vote of confidence in 34th St. and shows the importance of this project," city Transportation Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan said.

    "New York City continues to pave the way with bold ideas to improve transportation."

    The goal on 34th St. and other city streets is to create bus corridors similar to stretches of the subway. Buses will get top priority to run with as little interference as possible, Sadik-Khan said, speeding up travel by up to 35 % and shaving about 10 minutes off each trip.

    The city has some of the slowest bus speeds in the nation. The average bus speed on 34th St. is 4.5 mph, which is barely faster than walking.

    One design possibility under consideration would ban cars between 5th and 6th Aves., officials have said.

    Pedestrians and bus riders far outnumber drivers along 34th St., which is used by 17,000 local bus riders and 16,000 express riders every day, many from Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island.

    At Herald Square, 90% of people are riding mass transit or walking, according to the city DOT, with the remainder taking private vehicles.

    The federal grant will cover about half of the construction, planning and other costs for the project, a joint effort of the DOT and the MTA.

    U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and Federal Transit Administrator Peter Rogoff announced funding would go to a total of 53 projects during a conference call with reporters Thursday morning.

    "This investment by the Obama Administration in our nation's communities will create jobs, boost economic development and recovery, and further reduce our dependence on oil," LaHood said. "Our goals are to provide cleaner, safer and more efficient ways to get around."

    Additionally, six cities are receiving funding to go back to the future with streetcar projects. Streetcar routes will be created in Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas; St. Louis, Mo.; Charlotte, N.C., and Cincinati, Ohio.

    "Streetcars are making a comeback because cities across America are recognizing that they can restore economic development downtown - giving citizens the choice to move between home, shopping and entertainment without ever looking for a parking space," Rogoff said.

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    Murray Hill Residents Tell DOT to Scrap 34th Street Transitway Plan

    The DOT's plan to create dedicated bus lanes on East 34th Street was rejected by Murray Hill residents Thursday.

    By Gabriela Resto-Montero







    MURRAY HILL — A coalition of neighbors and elected officials resoundingly rejected the Department of Transportation's plan to create separate bus lanes along East 34th Street at a community hall town meeting Thursday.

    Neighbors delivered a petition signed by 2,000 residents asking the department to scrap the 34th Street Transitway plan, which calls for two protected bus lanes to be built along East 34th Street from the FDR Drive to 12th Avenue.

    The DOT says the Transitway, which is designed to serve the M16 and M34 bus routes, would "improve service on both crosstown and commuter buses, make 34th Street safer and more pleasant for pedestrians."

    However, residents claim the dedicated bus lanes would divert traffic to smaller streets, causing a traffic gridlock during the rush hour.

    "It's going to be like the U.N. is in session every single day," said Marisa Bulzone, a member of the Murray Hill Neighborhood Association, which hosted Thursday's forum at the Armenian Evangelical Church on East 34th Street.

    The DOT says the Transitway will improve service on both crosstown and commuter buses, make 34th Street safer and more pleasant for pedestrians. (Courtesy Department of Transportation)

    Neighbors are also worried about the bus lanes blocking the entrances to their front doors and limiting curb access for children or residents with disabilities on 34th Street.

    Residents also expressed concern Thursday over a possible increase in noise and pollution from directing traffic from the FDR onto residential streets like East 35th Street.

    "Here I am a citizen of New York City and a bus is more important," said Diane Bartow, president of the neighborhood association.

    "No concern at all has been given to residents," said Bartow, who lives on Fifth Avenue.

    The DOT said that between 82 and 85 percent of Murray Hill neighbors use the bus transportation system and the Transitway will improve travel times and increase pedestrian safety with wider sidewalks.

    Improving public transportation along the busy street is part of the department's plan to decrease congestion around the city, said Eric Beaton, a project manager for the DOT.

    "The truth is, we do need on 34th Street to get a face lift for traffic," said Scott Stringer, Manhattan borough president.

    "But you can't just be top down, you have to organize from the ground up," Stringer added.

    Representatives from DOT said the plan is still in its preliminary stages and the agency will continue to meet with community members to discuss issues of access and congestion.
    The DOT will next conduct a traffic study of the plan before meeting again with neighbors.

    "We don't have a design that we're ready to put on the street tomorrow," Beaton said.
    "If we can't answer these questions then, frankly, this project isn't a good project."

    http://dnainfo.com/20100924/manhatta...#ixzz10Uk0y99i

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    ^Lunacy. If the DOT listens to these idiots I will be very disappointed. This idea that traffic calming shifts traffic to the neighboring smaller streets has been proven false time and again. The DOT has data. These neighborhoods never back up any of their absurd statements and just throw around scary words. This is GOOD for the neighborhood of Murray Hill and would make it more transit friendly. Also, only 2,000 residents signing a piece of paper in a highly dense area of Manhattan is equivalent to one old lady in the suburbs screaming for people to get off her lawn. It really shouldn't amount to anything but I fear that it will.

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