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    Not much to take out of the last two games - starters will mostly sit until playoffs.

    Wallace played for the first time since Dec. Four minutes - Woodson said he looked pretty good, but Wallace said his foot was still sore.

    If they can get 10 quality minutes from him off the bench, it would be a big plus.

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    I'll take it, but I would rather have Stoudemire back.

  3. #168

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    The Knicks are a better team without Stoudemire. There may be other factors that would change it a few games, but the numbers are stark, over two long periods during the season.

    Forget the last two meaningless games. For 80 games:

    With Stoudemire: 16-13...... .552......projected season 44-36

    Without:.............37-14...... .725......projected season 58-22

    The Knicks would have lost the division to Brooklyn, and the last game against Atlanta could have been important for seeding.

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    Interesting statistic. But remember for much of that period, the Knicks were trying to establish a role for him. I don't have the stats, but he played much better and seemed to fit in better over the two-week period that immediately preceeded his last injury. I just got the sense he was fitting in better.

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    I don't think it has anything to do with how well Stoudemire plays. Or if he's "better" or "worse" than Wallace and Martin. They seem to be the pieces that fit the Knicks better.

    Football and baseball teams have big rosters; adding a linebacker or pitcher is usually a positive move. An NBA roster is 12, 5 on the court. Adding a player (who is playing well) doesn't always give you more. Sometimes it subtracts.

    Kmart didn't need to acclimate or fit in. The Knicks were 13-5 when he played. He fit in because that's what they need. The same with Wallace, 16-4 when he played.

    The Knicks don't have the luxury of finding a role for Stoudemire in the playoffs. I'd rather he sat out until next year, when they're still going to have to figure out what to do. His contract is a bigger problem for the Knicks than Arod for the Yankees.

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    Game 1: Jason Kidd.

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    Kidd played with extraordinary energy. He made some huge plays on both ends of the floor at about the 10 minute mark in the 4th period- stripping the ball at one end and hustling in to steal an offensive rebound on the other. Interestingly, he was -5 for the game, but that doesn't tell the story.

    I still say they could use a healthy Stoudemire though. Too much pressure on Anthony to score, especially with J.R coming out cold. You live and die with that dude.

    Meanwhile, Tyson Chandler didn't take one shot. I am not sure what to make of that.

    Not to keep harping on the Chicago thing, but I saw the game at original Harry Carey's in River North while enjoying a prime rib aus jus hero and downing several draft IPA's. Very cool
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    Chandler said there's no problem with an injury, he just ran out of gas after missing several games. Martin had a big 8 minute stretch late in the game.

    Knicks had trouble scoring from the perimeter - Smith was 1-7 from behind the arc, and there weren't many good looks. Easy to overlook Prigioni, who may also miss game two. The double point guard offense has been working very well; especially Felton-Prigioni, which I think is their best backcourt.

    OTOH, the Celtics don't have a point guard now, and that shows. I don't see the Celtics winning this series any other way than by defense.

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    Martin played well, and I agree with you about Felton- Prigioni being effective offensively, although they lack quickness on the defensive end. Shumpert is clearly the best their best defensive guard, but they have him at SF where I don't find him to be as effective.

    Spot on about the Celtics missing Rondo. They really turned the ball over a lot and that is a direct result of him not being in the game. But they were strong defensively.

  10. #175

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    The Knicks have to stay contained, and not let the Celtics distract them.

  11. #176

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    Big D the second half.

    Kenyon Martin - 11 reb, 4 blocks.

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    It is amazing what they are getting from Martin, although in fairness, Garnett was all but out of the game by than. Anthony had a great second half as well.

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    Well, all of this has to be tempered with the fact that the Celtics ran out of gas in the second half, scoring under 30 points in both games. The Knicks took control of the paint after halftime. Maybe this was by design, but it seemed to me that it was there for the entire game.

    Chandler seemed more like his old self. Knicks did a good job on Jeff Green, who had no good looks from 3-pt.

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    April 27, 2013

    Acquired Tastes: Knicks and New York

    By FINN COHEN

    Most of my adult life, I have hated New York City.

    In theory, I shouldn’t have. Both sides of my family have deep roots here. But I grew up in North Carolina, and any time spent in New York cultivated a distaste for the city that felt mutual. This was heightened almost three years ago when I found myself scrambling to make a living here and ranting about the inconsistency of the Q train to anyone who would listen.

    Then a funny thing happened. I started becoming obsessed with the Knicks. I’m sure that most of my interest came from the obvious appeal of sports as escape. But there was something else, because I became inexplicably distressed by the Knicks’ difficulties. I wanted to see them succeed, and I couldn’t figure out why. All I knew was that something in the dysfunction of the Knicks had reawakened part of me dormant since childhood, and it sparked a strange process of assimilation with New York, which had forever felt like a nemesis.

    In North Carolina, basketball is like a religion, so I was accustomed to the concept of living and dying with a team, trading stats from a previous night’s game with a stranger and referring to players by their first names as if we were close friends.

    When I was young, the Chicago Bulls were my N.B.A. team (Michael Jordan grew up in Wilmington, N.C., where I spent my elementary school years), but the Knicks were a close second. I remember watching playoff games between the teams and thinking Patrick Ewing was terrifying but cool. So a part of that childhood passion for basketball had anchored itself, in a small way, to the Knicks. And when they caught my attention decades later, when I moved to Brooklyn , it slowly began transforming my relationship with the city.

    I found myself at work with one eye on my computer and the other on a television, watching the soundless broadcast and imagining the roar at Madison Square Garden when, for instance, the Knicks hit 14 3-point shots in the first half against the Boston Celtics last spring. While visiting North Carolina, I persuaded friends to let me take over their living rooms to watch the Knicks be run over by Miami on a nationally televised game. Swish by swish or brick by brick, I was slowly tilting my identity closer to New York through these newfound sympathy pains.

    People in North Carolina told me last year, “Oh, you just got caught up in Linsanity.”

    But that wasn’t really it.

    Maybe it was Mike Woodson, a coach who inherited a team of Bad News Bears, added two former North Carolina Tar Heels (Raymond Felton and Rasheed Wallace), and often had the same firm look that my stepfather used to adopt when I refused to understand why the yard couldn’t be raked over a period of weeks rather than in one Saturday afternoon. Woodson’s insistence on fundamentals spoke to something in the way I was raised.

    Maybe it was the moment when the crowd was chanting Wallace’s name on opening night this season against the Heat and Woodson looked down the bench and yelled: “Rasheed! You want to play?”

    Maybe it was the misfit crew assembled at the beginning of this season that turned a casual interest into a fervor.

    Who wouldn’t be intrigued by Pablo Prigioni, a 35-year-old rookie from Argentina whose stilted dribble would get him laughed off any street court in Brooklyn; the dazzlingly frustrating offense of J. R. Smith; Jason Kidd, a point guard whose resemblance to Elmer Fudd was repeatedly illustrated in side-by-side images texted to me by a friend in North Carolina; or Wallace himself, all 317 career technical fouls’ worth of charisma?

    Maybe it was the good cop/mellifluous cop chemistry between Mike Breen and Walt Frazier on MSG Network’s game broadcasts, perhaps the oddest pairing of commentators outside of Dick Vitale and, well, anyone Dick Vitale works with.

    Or maybe it was just the stunning highs and stupefying lows of this season’s team, associated with the “New York” on the front of their jerseys, that made me realize something. A team that could beat the Heat three times but lose to the Toronto Raptors twice, that could come out of the gate any given night looking like a pride of lions or a herd of sloths, was an apt metaphor for my own experiences in a city of extremes.

    Sometimes, the subway train arrives as soon as I reach the platform; sometimes, the doors slam shut inches from my face and the train waits, maddeningly, for 30 more seconds before pulling away. Once, I saw a woman stop to help a man who was having a heart attack; another day, I was part of the faceless mass that barks at lost tourists who stop in the middle of the sidewalk. One day, I was balancing a tray of coffee mugs in Park Slope while a child at Table 3 was trying to wrestle it out of my hands; another day, I was somehow entering the New York Times building for a job interview.

    This city is the subject of countless clichés. Mine used to be “I hate it here.” These days, watching Tyson Chandler’s Viking warlord face after every dunk just reminds me that there are rewards to be had, and the struggle that comes before and after each one always makes them sweeter.

    © 2013 The New York Times Company

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