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    For what it's worth, game 6 will be the only one of the series that's a must-win for the Pacers.

    They didn't have to win any one particular game, but they don't want to blow two chances to close out the series, and have to try to do it in the Garden.

    So pressure will be on both teams tomorrow.

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    Very disappointing. Certainly, Melo played hard and well, unlike most of the rest of the team, but s well as he played through 3, it seemed like he never did quite do much in the 4th period of any game they lost this series.

    Chandler was a let down and so was Smith, who has to be gone. Novak and Stoudemire were all but forgotten, and Kidd did nothing all series long.

    The only real bright spot besides Anthony was Shumpert who looks like he might have a nice future.

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    Hibberts sickening block on Melo epitomized the series.

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    let's go rangers

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    Maybe not.

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    One thing is for sure, Melo ain't no Eli in the fourth quater; albeit completely different sports, there is something to be said for having the mental and physical endurance to be your greatest at the end of a contest. Its not how you start, its how you finish.

    Woodson should set up a lunch meeting.

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    Kevin Durant had the same 4th quarter problems in the Thunder playoff series. It changed for him when Russel Westbrook went away.

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    Again, defense is ignored.

    Indiana - a good defensive team - shouldn't be scoring 106 points. 99 by the Knicks should be enough. That Matador Defense in the first half came back to bite them.

    Of all people, it was JR Smith who said it in the locker room - "we didn't make the key stops down the stretch." If you watch Knick games, Frazier says it all the time - in big games you have to make big stops at the end.

    Although he disappeared offensively for most of the playoffs, Smith had a generally good defensive game. Led the team in rebounds with 10.

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    That IS a good point, but there is no getting around the fact that as well as he played through 3 qtrs, Melo disappointed in the 4th. It could be he was tired; he played ove4 44 minutes in most games - but he showed nothing in the 4th during the team's losses.

    And Chanldler again alluded to the lack of flow on offense during his exit interview yesterday insinuating that the Knicks had become an isolation, jump shooting team. We can talk about defense - and we should, but the Knicks DO need more flow on the offense end, especially when they go small. There is no excuse for poor ball movement when you have a 2 playing 3, and and 3 playing 4. The offense cannot be 100% predicated on Melo getting 30 shots a game.

    What happened to Novak? Why so much hesitiancy to use Copeland on the second unit? And when did Smith stop taking the ball to the hoop?
    With the talant this team had, Raymond Felton should not be its second scoring option.

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    I think it's THE point. Defense lost the game.

    Chandler simply stunk on defense. I can understand why he's rather talk about offensive flow than boxing out.

    Novak was out because of the above.

    When the Knicks quickly ate up the deficit and took a 2 point lead late in the game, they had the game in their grasp right there. They had the Pacers stunned, and the crowd out of it. From that point on, the game was defense. The Knicks couldn't make big stops. It was Hibbert who made the key defensive stop on Melo.

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    Defense becomes a bit easier when scorer is not at best; and secondary scorers are, for lack of a better term, total shit.

    Case and point, Melo is not a dunker when he takes shots close to the rim he simply bounces ball off the backboard or lobs it gently into the basket, in the Hibbert swat he elected to go with a shot that is not his bread and butter; big spot in the game to be going with anything else. Mental exhaustion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TREPYE View Post
    Defense becomes a bit easier when scorer is not at best;
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

    Defense should never be easy down the stretch in a close game. Listen to NBA coaches and ex players. Defense takes will; it isn't as instantly gratifying as scoring, and it's not easy to get players to do it.

    Melo is not a dunker when he takes shots close to the rim he simply bounces ball off the backboard or lobs it gently into the basket,
    Melo can dunk, and always does when he has a clear lane to the basket. What you usually see Melo do under the basket is try to avoid defenders arms, or draw a foul. Don't underestimate how strong he is.

    in the Hibbert swat he elected to go with a shot that is not his bread and butter; big spot in the game to be going with anything else. Mental exhaustion?
    How about a little credit here? Hibbert came over and made a tremendous play; he could have just as easily got Melo on the arm, or with the body, and been called for a foul.

    What do you think?


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    That was a great block. There is just no other way around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
    Melo has been very weak offensively in the fourth quater; even though he really hadn't been double teamed. His deficiencies make defensive stops more possbile as drawing a double team will strain team defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by TREPYE View Post
    One thing is for sure, Melo ain't no Eli in the fourth quater; albeit completely different sports, there is something to be said for having the mental and physical endurance to be your greatest at the end of a contest. Its not how you start, its how you finish.
    It was unquestionably one of the best/clutchest blocks you will ever see, but Melo enabled it. Its a classic second guess to say that he shouldn't have dunked, my point is that it is not his strongest highest percentage shot when he is close to the basket; boucing it off the backboard or lobbing it is. Had it been Stout (or Blake Griffin) who got rejected there would have been nothing to say because dunking is his best scoring move when close to the basket.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Defense should never be easy down the stretch in a close game. Listen to NBA coaches and ex players. Defense takes will...
    The example above serves to make a larger point that he is not at optimal level at the end of a game and not going to his bread and butter move and instead trying to dunk on a seven footer in what could have been very easily considered the basket of the game exemplifies that. Furthermore lets not forget the other critical turnover he had soon thereafter.

    I mean, do you think Melo is clutch?
    Last edited by TREPYE; May 21st, 2013 at 03:09 PM.

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    BTW - While the Ddefense did indeed suck, I don't think defense alone cost them the game - in fact they still could have won despite the poor d. Don't overlook the comment on secondary scorers. It is not anaccident that the Knicks made a run when Shumpert got hot in the third.

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