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    Kim Jong-il, North Korean leader, dies

    Kim Jong-il is understood to have suffered a heart attack on Saturday due to physical and mental over-work
    Kim Jong-il, North Korea's leader, has died aged 69

    Kim Jong-il, the "dear leader" venerated in North Korea but reviled abroad, has died aged 69, state media announced this morning.
    The official KCNA news agency said he suffered a heart attack on Saturday due to physical and mental over-work. He was on his train, travelling to offer "field guidance" to workers, when he died.

    While Kim is thought to have suffered a stroke in 2008, he had apparently recovered and Monday's announcement was unexpected. But he had begun grooming his young son Kim Jong-un to take control of the "hermit state", appointing him a general last year and giving him several high profile roles.
    "It is the biggest loss for the party ... and it is our people and nation's biggest sadness," a tearful anchorwoman clad in black Korean traditional dress told viewers as she announced Kim's death.

    She urged the nation to "change our sadness to strength and overcome our difficulties."

    The death will be felt far beyond North Korea's 24 million population. The country has long been a source of international concern because of its nuclear and missiles programmes and there will be widespread anxiety about potential instability and the implications of the change in leadership.

    Seoul's Yonhap news agency said South Korean military leaders had declared an emergency alert following Kim's death. A spokesman for Japanese prime minister Yoshihiko Noda said he had set up a crisis management team on North Korea, while in the US the White House said Barack Obama was monitoring reports of the death.

    "We remain committed to stability on the Korean peninsula, and to the freedom and security of our allies," a spokesman added.

    While there were some suggestions the new leader might sabre-rattle in the region to help establish himself, Dr Leonid Petrov of the University of Sydney argued that Pyongyang was likely to use the transition as an opportunity to reach out to the international community.

    "They will try to use it to resume negotiations with the US, saying there is a new leader so why not go and talk," he predicted.

    Kim Jong-un's name headed the long list of officials on the funeral committee, indicating he will lead it. KCNA said the funeral will take place in Pyongyang on 28 December, with the mourning period lasting until 29 December.

    But there have long been doubts about how easy it will be for the younger man - thought to be in his late 20s - to continue the Communist dynasty founded by his grandfather Kim Il-sung, who died in 1994.

    "I think the North has done quite a bit to accelerate the succession process so I think at least in the short term they will coalesce around the next generation of leadership and watch and see whether his son will be able to consolidate power. But there will be a lot of uncertainty ahead," said Daniel Pinkston of the International Crisis Group.

    Chung Young-tae, of the Korea Institute of National Unification, told Reuters: "Any prospect for a strong and prosperous country is now gone. Kim Jong-un is not yet the official heir, but the regime will move in the direction of Kim Jong-un taking centre stage.

    "There is a big possibility that a power struggle may happen. It's likely the military will support Kim Jong-un. Right now there will be control wielded over the people to keep them from descending into chaos in this tumultuous time."

    KCNA said that Kim had been receiving treatment for heart disease for a long time. He suffered a major heart attack on Saturday due to "great mental and physical strain caused by his uninterrupted field guidance tour for the building of a thriving nation" while travelling on his train.

    "Every possible first-aid measure was taken immediately but he passed away at 08:30," it said, adding that an autopsy had confirmed the diagnosis.

    The last public sighting of Kim was reported by North Korea's state news agency on Thursday. He reportedly visited a supermarket and music centre, accompanied by his son.

    The news is likely to be a particular shock in North Korea - where Kim has been revered as much as he has been vilified by the outside world - because his death comes days before the beginning of 2012. The regime has long promoted next year at the point at which the country would achieve development and prosperity.

    For years it has been struggling with food shortages and an economy in crisis.

    "It is an extremely convenient time for the North Korean leadership: they don't need to honour the promise that North Korea will become a strong, powerful and prosperous state," said Petrov, an expert on the country at the University of Sydney.

    "The population will be required to work hard for long hours with very few celebrations of Kim Il-sung's centenary.

    "North Korea is going to have a three year mourning period during which Jong-un will be consolidated as leader - exactly as happened [with his father] when Kim Il-sung died.

    He added that while many citizens in North Korea would be genuinely distraught at the news, "it will not be as dramatic as it was in 1994 when Kim Il-sung died. That was real trauma, exacerbated by the famine...political cynicism is growing."

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    North Korea -- the world's only Communist monarchy. Kim's 27 (or 28) year old son, Kim Jong-un, will probably the new leader.

    Great Leader
    Dear Leader
    __?__ Leader

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    Kim Jong Il, North Korean leader, is dead at age 69

    View Photo Gallery —  After years of speculation on his declining health, North Korean television has reported its leader, Kim Jong Il, has passed away. He was 69.

    By Chico Harlan, Monday, December 19, 12:21 PM

    TOKYO — Kim Jong Il, the North Korean leader who threatened the world with his nuclear weapons ambitions and suppressed his own people with imprisonment and isolation, left in the wake of his death Saturday an antiquated country with a power vacuum.
    Kim’s death raises immediate questions about the future — and the stability — of perhaps the world’s most isolated state, which for six decades has held its country together with the Kim family personality cult. Kim was deified by state media, described as the “Dear Leader.” A weeping television anchor Monday told North Korea of Kim’s death.

    FILE FOOTAGE: Kim Jong Il, North Korea's mercurial and enigmatic leader whose iron rule and nuclear ambitions for his isolated communist nation dominated world security fears for more than a decade, has died at the age of 69 from an apparent heart attack. (Dec. 18)

    Security analysts and officials from Seoul to Washington have long believed that Kim’s death would double as a pivot point on the Korean peninsula. But that poses a threat of its own — as North Korea tries to pass power to Kim’s youngest son, Kim Jong Eun, who is in his 20s.

    Until late last year, the younger Kim ad lived his life almost entirely behind a wall of privacy. But as his father struggled with his health, he accelerated a controversial power transfer, and in late September 2010 named Kim Jong Eun to several top military and political posts. This year, when the elder Kim made his customary visits to military camps and factories across the country, his son often accompanied him — not as an equal, but as a trainee.

    One concern, described by numerous Korean security experts, is that the younger Kim could face opposition from more senior North Korean officials, including Jang Song Thaek, who had been acting as a caretaker for the transition. In recent years, Kim Jong Il tried to minimized the power of other older party members, often demoting them — sometimes even banishing them to the countryside — so they wouldn’t form allies of their own.

    Since taking over from his own father, Kim Il Sung, in 1994, Kim kept a tight hold on North Korean society, using the so-called “juche” ideology — emphasizing national self-reliance to rationalize strict crackdowns against political opposition. Those who spoke out against the Kim family were sent to prison camps, defectors say, along with their parents and children.

    The country’s leadership maintained a ban on most communication: Most North Koreans, even now, have no access to the Internet. Several hundred thousand North Koreans now have cellphones, but they can make only domestic calls.

    As a result, North Korea dealt with almost no dissent — a stark contrast to Arab countries that this year revolted against authoritarian rulers. For almost two decades now, North Korea has defied predictions of its demise. Kim’s death sparked new concerns that the country could become less stable.

    In Tokyo, Japanese leaders held an emergency security meeting. South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff put its front-line military on emergency alert, with heightened concern about a provocation along the contested maritime border. Seoul’s stock market dipped more than 4.5 percent amid the news of Kim’s death.

    In recent years, particularly since his apparent August 2008 stroke, U.S. intelligence agencies had monitored Kim’s health closely. But it was not clear whether they knew his death was imminent. Kim took several trips this year to China and Russia, traveling by heavily armored train.


    The normally closed, secretive country is trying to open its doors a crack to foreign tourists, particularly from China, as a way of earning hard currency.

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    Yeah. He died from "hard work".

    Despotism is so difficult..

    I think he suffered a heart attack when a boot flung off one of his asian goose-steppers at a local mall opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbcat View Post
    North Korea -- the world's only Communist monarchy. Kim's 27 (or 28) year old son, Kim Jong-un, will probably the new leader.

    Great Leader
    Dear Leader
    __?__ Leader
    Will he be a YouTube Celebrity like dad?

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    No worries, a rogue world nuclear power with 90% of its GDP going into the military is in good hands with this guy:


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    I know. I mean, what could go wrong?

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    Jesus Christ.

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    Okay, you guys can poke fun all you want, but Kim Jong-un *is* a four-star general, after all, with nearly 16 months of military experience.

    Kim Jong Il death: Powerful uncle could overshadow Kim's son

    December 19, 2011 | 10:57 am

    REPORTING FROM SHENZHEN, CHINA -- The death of Kim Jong Il leaves his family's business -- running North Korea -- in terrible shape.

    Under his leadership, North Korea lost 2 million people, about 10% of the population, to starvation. It sank ever deeper into poverty and isolation, all the more striking next to the economic miracle that is China.

    His youngest son and chosen successor, Kim Jong Un, still in his 20s, has before him what appears to be the nearly impossible task of trying to rescue a failed state and perpetuate the family dynasty into its third generation.

    PHOTOS: Kim Jong Il | 1942-2011

    North Korea is an anachronism of a country, more so than ever at the end of a year when the world has witnessed the collapse of undemocratic regimes in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia.

    "Kim Jong Il was the glue that held the system together. We don’t know how the system will respond in his absence," said Scott Snyder, Korea expert with the Council on Foreign Relations.

    "Everything could potentially change," said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing. "The only person who had the experience and who held the exclusive power is gone."

    North Korean media extolled Kim Jong Un on Monday as the “great successor” and the “outstanding leader of our party, army and people.”

    But it’s not so simple. The young man is likely to be overshadowed by a powerful uncle, Jang Sung Taek.

    Jang, 65, is married to Kim Jong Il’s younger sister and has spent three decades in the ruling Workers’ Party, holding key positions in the military and secret police and running North Korea’s special economic zones. His family members also hold powerful jobs with the military.FULL COVERAGE: Kim Jong Il | 1942-2011

    In contrast, the chosen successor has a thin resume. He attended a German-language public high school in Bern, Switzerland, where he was registered as the son of a North Korean diplomat. His classmates described him as crazy about basketball and computer games.

    Until September 2010, when the overweight young man with a dimpled face was named a four-star general, he was almost entirely unknown to the North Korean public. Even the exact spelling of his name was a state secret.

    "Kim Jong Un has had only two years. It is not enough time to become crown prince," said Shi.

    Mindful of the future leader’s inexperience, the North Korean regime appears to be trying to set up a more collective leadership, with the military taking a more prominent role. The announcement Monday of Kim’s death was signed by the four separate entities from the party, military and people’s assembly.

    The younger Kim doesn't seem likely to be able to count on his siblings for much support.

    His oldest brother, Kim Jong Nam, was assumed to be the heir, but fell from favor after being arrested at Tokyo’s Narita airport, trying to sneak in under a fake passport to take his son to Disneyland. Kim Jong Nam, who now lives in Macao, told Japanese television last year that he opposed the “hereditary succession into a third generation.”

    Kim Jong Nam’s own son, Kim Han Sol, 16, has posted photos of himself wearing a cross on Facebook and comments on YouTube expressing concern about the hunger in North Korea.

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    Cousin, Han Solo?

    Web Postings Stir Interest in Teenager’s Relation to North Korean Leader


    An image said to have been taken from the Facebook page of a teenager that South Korean reporters believe is related to North Korea’s leader.

    The sharply dressed 17-year-old might be any fashionable South Korean teenager: bleached blond hair, an earring and a necklace with a cross-shaped pendant.

    Or he might be the grandson of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

    A frenzy of speculation about the teenager, named Kim Han-sol, has gripped South Korean news organizations this week as reporters scour the Internet for any shred of evidence connecting the seemingly loquacious youngster with the deeply secretive man atop North Korea.

    It began when officials at a school in Mostar, Bosnia, told reporters that they had accepted a North Korean named Kim Han-sol.

    By this week, reporters had zeroed in on a teenager with the same name living in Macao who said on YouTube that he was from North Korea and was “related” to the North Korean leader. Mr. Kim’s eldest son and half brother of Kim Jong-un, the senior Kim’s designated successor, lives in Macao.

    The teenager appears to have also left a string of North Korea-related comments on the Web.

    ‘‘Actually i eat like an average person, i can’t eat even if i had good food, cuz like i feel sorry for my ppl,’’ a user by the name of kimhs616 wrote three years ago, in stilted English, in response to comments under a YouTube video clip of the North Korean national anthem. ‘‘I know my people are hungry.’’

    On another video clip
    , the user appears less conflicted, writing “LONG LIVE DPRK,” or the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, North Korea’s official name, and, in another, calling Americans “fat,” “brainwashed” and “dumb.”

    South Korean news organizations have also uncovered what they believe to be photographs of the teenager, gleaned from a Facebook account that is no longer accessible.

    In one, he has his arm around a girl and in the accompanying text she calls him “yeobo,” a term that Korean husbands and wives use in referring to each other. That is the kind of language, from a teenager, that would make a Korean grandfather turn in his grave.

    Park Soo-jin, a spokeswoman at the Unification Ministry, the South Korean government agency in charge of North Korea-related affairs, said her agency was following reports about Kim Han-sol but so far had no definitive evidence that he was Kim Jong-il’s grandson.

    The family name Kim is the most common among Koreans.

    If the teenager is indeed Mr. Kim’s grandson, the small trove of details they have uncovered by tracing the his Internet footprints offers glimpses into what appeared to be a generational gulf inside the North’s ruling family.

    Kim Han-sol had a publicly accessible Facebook profile, two blogs and two Twitter accounts. He followed 99 Twitter accounts, including National Public Radio in the United States, Bill Gates, a Pyongyang-based propaganda Web site and South Korea’s conservative daily Chosun Ilbo, a critic of the North Korean government. His favorite movies included ‘‘Love Actually,’’ and his personal interests focused on ‘‘food, winery and spa.’’ He asked his Facebook friends whether they preferred communism or democracy — and said that he opted for the latter. But elsewhere on the Internet, he also identified his beliefs as ‘‘anti-capitalist’’ and ‘‘pro-communism.’’

    He sang the praises of Kim Il-sung, the North Korean founding president and Kim Jong-il’s father. He also channeled a typical North Korean tirade against the United States, again in English: ‘‘How dumb can you americans be? like seriously, there has got to be a limit, now go drop your cigarette and your cheeseburger and go read a book.’’

    But in response to a YouTube video showing hundreds of people holding candles in Seoul, the South Korean capital, he said, ‘‘North Korea is not that bright at night.’’

    After South Korean media had a field day with his Internet activities, the teenager blocked access or terminated his accounts, but not before news Web sites captured and spread his photos, his Twitter postings and his Facebook and YouTube comments.

    ‘‘Contrary to the outside world’s general perceptions, the top North Korean elite and especially their children are very open and know a lot about the outside world,’’ said Cheong Seong-chang, a longtime researcher on the Kim Jong-il family at Sejong Institute in South Korea. ‘‘It’s safe to say that the boy we see in media is indeed Kim Jong-il’s grandson.’’

    All three known sons of Kim Jong-il had studied in Europe when they were teenagers. The North Korean leader’s second son, Jong-chol, was spotted in Singapore in February attending an Eric Clapton concert.

    Kim Jong-nam was born from a marriage his grandfather reportedly never approved, an issue that handicapped him when Kim Jong-il was considering which son he would designate as successor, analysts in Seoul said. Whatever chances Kim Jong-nam might have had to succeed his father evaporated when he was caught trying to enter Japan on a fake Dominican Republic passport in 2001.

    He has since lived in semi-exile in China. He is believed to have one son and two daughters by two women.

    This week, South Korean media discovered a Facebook account they believed belonged to Kim Jong-nam. The account posted digitally altered photos ridiculing Kim Jong-il and his half-brother, Jong-un.

    The account opened under the name Kim Chol — a pseudonym South Korean media said Jong-nam uses for hotel reservations in Singapore, Hong Kong, and elsewhere in Asia — was blocked this week.

    The Bosnian school, United World College, did not explicitly confirm that the student it was accepting was a grandson of Kim Jong-il. ‘‘The entry of a student from North Korea, furthermore from a very well-known family, has understandably generated surprise and comment, some of it critical,’’ it said in a statement.

    But the United States-financed broadcaster Voice of America quoted a former head of the school on Thursday as confirming that he was Mr. Kim Jong-il’s grandson. The student applied for the Bosnian school after its Hong Kong affiliate could not accept him after its immigration authorities refused to give him a visa.

    By Thursday, South Korean media reported that Kim Jong-nam, together with his son, might move to Europe.

    ‘‘By getting farther away from North Korea, his half-brother and South Korean media, he might feel safer,’’ Mr. Cheong said.

    Kevin Drew contributed reporting from Hong Kong.

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    Holy crap that would be awesome. Kim Han Sol-"o" comes in to save the day, brings freedom and nourishment to his oppressed country and re-unites with the South. The chosen one comes in - too good to be true hollywood script

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    The US needs to vet this Kim Han-sol guy out then give him a visa to study at whatever school he wants

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