March 19th, 2012, 09:23 PM
Could you please answer my questions directly, thanks.
Originally Posted by STT757
Also, I must say, that the US in some way or other has ****ed cities up with this school issue by giving families the reason to leave b/c of school choice. City schools need to be as good as suburban schools, no question. This is something that immigrants like myself can't ****ing get and I get extremely angry thinking about all the city kids that are losing out. So many god damn urban issues could be fixed, cities could be urban paradises, if they just got the schools in order no matter what. Money on wars are not worth fighting if our kids can't even get a decent education in the city,whether your poor or rich.
Education is the key to solving urban & social issues. The US needs to focus on bringing education levels in cities to the same level as your average suburb.
Last edited by futurecity; March 19th, 2012 at 09:34 PM.
March 19th, 2012, 09:33 PM
NYC school test scores for the four primary groups mentioned in this thread:
#1 - Asians
#2 - Whites
#3 - Hispanics
#4 - Blacks
Futurecity attempts to show that the level the White population is automatically a barometer of the health of a city. And it's bad because it's White Flight.
No attempt has been made to breakdown who is leaving - their level of education, training, income - and why they are leaving.
Are educated non-white groups leaving? Are whites that continue to leave necessarily better educated or have a higher income than other groups?
I've been here a long time, and have seen it all. What's not changed in NYC is that if you have a high level of income, you can live well. What has changed is that if your income is low, you will struggle here. That goes for struggling Whites as well as non-Whites.
March 19th, 2012, 09:41 PM
That shouldn't be the case, it's a crime against humanity to be honest. Income should not = education quality. The government must fix this issue. Corruption, Racism, whatever is the problem must be addressed otherwise the cities will remain divided for decades to come. Families must not be expected to leave a city unless they can afford to live in the best school district or afford private schools. We are failing our future and failing our urban areas. I doubt we'd see as much of the ugly sprawl that we see around all our cities if the government actually did something about the urban school problem.
I never stated that the white population is the barometer of the health of a city, now you are just lying.
March 19th, 2012, 10:29 PM
In the long run...
Last edited by londonlawyer; March 19th, 2012 at 10:36 PM.
March 19th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I never stated that you stated.
Originally Posted by futurecity
At least all of us have finally figured out LL's post.
March 20th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by londonlawyer
Discussing demographic movements is hardly 'absurd'. Some people are interested in it. What IS absurd, is your humor!
March 20th, 2012, 01:31 AM
Some data that bears this out, and is more informative than "Decline of Whites in NYC." If you want to get a clear picture of what is going on, you have to include children in the data.
Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp
Over the last decade
The total number of children under 18 decreased for the first time since 1980-1990.
Married couples with children under 6 years old:
Black - decreased 52%
Hispanic - decreased 17%
White - increased 11%
The total population of children under 6 years old is 612,000.
The number of Black children under 6 years old decreased by 41,000.
The number of Hispanic children under 6 years old decreased by 10,000.
The number of White children under 6 years old increased by 12,000.
The number of Asian children under 6 years old increased by 9,000.
Both Whites and Asians had increases for each age 1 through 5.
The biggest increases in married couples with children under 6 was in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Manhattan was the only borough, and the only NY State county in the surrounding suburbs except Rockland, to record all three:
An increase in the number of children under 6 years old.
An increase in the number of married couples with children.
An increase in the 15-34 age group.
March 20th, 2012, 06:18 AM
NYC Aficionado from Oz
March 20th, 2012, 06:49 AM
In the long run...
My pleasure, Merry. I hope that you had a good laugh from Arnold, George, and, of course, from the "prime mover," of this dopey thread, Future City.
March 20th, 2012, 08:55 AM
It has been funny... but I have not been laughing.
March 20th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Build the Tower Verre
March 20th, 2012, 12:21 PM
Because it is sad. When something like a demographic change based on many socioeconomic trends can be addressed so blithely as the "Decline of Whites" or "White Flight".
What is even sadder is when you see OTHERS expressing similar ill-fitted "witticisms" and "observations" on other sites and not receiving quite the same educated rebuttal as we have here.
Peeple is stoopid.
March 20th, 2012, 01:12 PM
What are you talking about?! My thread was about Whites, period. There is nothing wrong (or racist) with discussing and focusing on the movements of a single race. I was very open to including discussions about other races too, including the future of Hispanic movements in NYC, but nobody seemed to be interested in offering their opinions on that. If you think I believe it all boils down to whites alone, you are mistaken. I'm not a fool.
Originally Posted by Ninjahedge
I happen to be interested in white demographic change at this time in NYC. If you consider being interested in something like that, 'sad', I really don't know what to say. I suppose it would have been OK to open a thread about the decline of blacks in NY. No, I guess that would be considered simplistic, stupid or racist too. Get over it!
Last edited by futurecity; March 20th, 2012 at 01:29 PM.
March 20th, 2012, 04:56 PM
He still doesn't get it.
It would have been the same problem if you used another race and did the same thing.
March 20th, 2012, 08:42 PM
The NYC white population increased from 2000-2010, so I don't understand the premise of the thread.
Yes, the non-Hispanic white population decreased slightly (2% or something), but that isn't a meaningful decline. But the overall white population increased.
And I'm not sure why Hispanics are being compared. The Hispanic population growth is barely higher than the White population growth.
Only the Asian population is booming in terms of % increase. The real story is that NYC will be a much more Asian city than before.
The White and Hispanic populations are largely stable, and the Black population is decreasing slightly. Asian population is booming.