Decline of Whites in NYC?

[futurecity]

One of the biggest causes of white flight over the past couple decades is not the rise in crime in the cities in the '60s, '70s and '80s but rather the implementation of school districting and busing. Basically in the past the immediate neighborhood in which you lived in a city is where you (your kids) went to school. If you lived in a white neighborhood the school would be mostly white, if it was black it would be mostly black. The result of cultural and political change in the '60s and '70s created the catalyst to disrupt these isolated schools in the cities and thus opened them up.

You can draw your own conclusions on what kind of affect this had over all on City schools, but what it led to was parents moving their children to the suburbs of New Jersey and Long Island where districting and busing was only as big as the town was diverse. Schools in the suburbs, for the most part, do not draw students from other towns. Good schools are probably the biggest driver of home value in the suburbs.

My family moved us to New Jersey from NYC in the late '70s when I was 3, I grew up in middle class New Jersey schools except for one year (sixth grade) I spent in a NYC school when we were in between moves. I can honestly say for the most part, the City of New York does not provide anywhere near the quality education that is available in most suburban districts in New Jersey. The school I went to for sixth grade was considered a real good school on the South Shore of Staten Island. It was nothing like the schools I was used to, I was very happy to be out of there the next year. It's all about schools, if your single, gay or married but without kids than living in the City is great. Kids really change the equation.

Could you please answer my questions directly, thanks.

Also, I must say, that the US in some way or other has ****ed cities up with this school issue by giving families the reason to leave b/c of school choice. City schools need to be as good as suburban schools, no question. This is something that immigrants like myself can't ****ing get and I get extremely angry thinking about all the city kids that are losing out. So many god damn urban issues could be fixed, cities could be urban paradises, if they just got the schools in order no matter what. Money on wars are not worth fighting if our kids can't even get a decent education in the city,whether your poor or rich.

Education is the key to solving urban & social issues. The US needs to focus on bringing education levels in cities to the same level as your average suburb.

[ZippyTheChimp]

NYC school test scores for the four primary groups mentioned in this thread:

#1 - Asians
#2 - Whites
#3 - Hispanics
#4 - Blacks

Futurecity attempts to show that the level the White population is automatically a barometer of the health of a city. And it's bad because it's White Flight.

No attempt has been made to breakdown who is leaving - their level of education, training, income - and why they are leaving.

Are educated non-white groups leaving? Are whites that continue to leave necessarily better educated or have a higher income than other groups?

I've been here a long time, and have seen it all. What's not changed in NYC is that if you have a high level of income, you can live well. What has changed is that if your income is low, you will struggle here. That goes for struggling Whites as well as non-Whites.

[futurecity]

That shouldn't be the case, it's a crime against humanity to be honest. Income should not = education quality. The government must fix this issue. Corruption, Racism, whatever is the problem must be addressed otherwise the cities will remain divided for decades to come. Families must not be expected to leave a city unless they can afford to live in the best school district or afford private schools. We are failing our future and failing our urban areas. I doubt we'd see as much of the ugly sprawl that we see around all our cities if the government actually did something about the urban school problem.

I never stated that the white population is the barometer of the health of a city, now you are just lying.

[londonlawyer]

Ugh, no. There are no ''bad people''.

Did you really think that I was serious? I posted a ridiculous reply to an absurd thread.

Please click on the links below for further clarification:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX...yer_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82b2gJ6o3pE

[ZippyTheChimp]

I never stated that the white population is the barometer of the health of a city, now you are just lying.

I never stated that you stated.

At least all of us have finally figured out LL's post.

[futurecity]

Did you really think that I was serious? I posted a ridiculous reply to an absurd thread.

Please click on the links below for further clarification:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX...yer_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82b2gJ6o3pE

Discussing demographic movements is hardly 'absurd'. Some people are interested in it. What IS absurd, is your humor!

[ZippyTheChimp]

I've been here a long time, and have seen it all. What's not changed in NYC is that if you have a high level of income, you can live well. What has changed is that if your income is low, you will struggle here. That goes for struggling Whites as well as non-Whites.

Some data that bears this out, and is more informative than "Decline of Whites in NYC." If you want to get a clear picture of what is going on, you have to include children in the data.

Over the last decade

The total number of children under 18 decreased for the first time since 1980-1990.

Married couples with children under 6 years old:

Black - decreased 52%
Hispanic - decreased 17%
White - increased 11%

The total population of children under 6 years old is 612,000.
The number of Black children under 6 years old decreased by 41,000.
The number of Hispanic children under 6 years old decreased by 10,000.
The number of White children under 6 years old increased by 12,000.
The number of Asian children under 6 years old increased by 9,000.

Both Whites and Asians had increases for each age 1 through 5.

The biggest increases in married couples with children under 6 was in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Manhattan was the only borough, and the only NY State county in the surrounding suburbs except Rockland, to record all three:
An increase in the number of children under 6 years old.
An increase in the number of married couples with children.
An increase in the 15-34 age group.

[Merry]

Did you really think that I was serious? I posted a ridiculous reply to an absurd thread.

Thanks, LL .

[londonlawyer]

My pleasure, Merry. I hope that you had a good laugh from Arnold, George, and, of course, from the "prime mover," of this dopey thread, Future City.

[Ninjahedge]

It has been funny... but I have not been laughing.

[antinimby]

Why you so sad Ninj?

[Ninjahedge]

Because it is sad. When something like a demographic change based on many socioeconomic trends can be addressed so blithely as the "Decline of Whites" or "White Flight".

What is even sadder is when you see OTHERS expressing similar ill-fitted "witticisms" and "observations" on other sites and not receiving quite the same educated rebuttal as we have here.

Peeple is stoopid.

[futurecity]

Because it is sad. When something like a demographic change based on many socioeconomic trends can be addressed so blithely as the "Decline of Whites" or "White Flight".

What is even sadder is when you see OTHERS expressing similar ill-fitted "witticisms" and "observations" on other sites and not receiving quite the same educated rebuttal as we have here.

Peeple is stoopid.

What are you talking about?! My thread was about Whites, period. There is nothing wrong (or racist) with discussing and focusing on the movements of a single race. I was very open to including discussions about other races too, including the future of Hispanic movements in NYC, but nobody seemed to be interested in offering their opinions on that. If you think I believe it all boils down to whites alone, you are mistaken. I'm not a fool.

I happen to be interested in white demographic change at this time in NYC. If you consider being interested in something like that, 'sad', I really don't know what to say. I suppose it would have been OK to open a thread about the decline of blacks in NY. No, I guess that would be considered simplistic, stupid or racist too. Get over it!

[ZippyTheChimp]

He still doesn't get it.

It would have been the same problem if you used another race and did the same thing.

[ASchwarz]

The NYC white population increased from 2000-2010, so I don't understand the premise of the thread.

Yes, the non-Hispanic white population decreased slightly (2% or something), but that isn't a meaningful decline. But the overall white population increased.

And I'm not sure why Hispanics are being compared. The Hispanic population growth is barely higher than the White population growth.

Only the Asian population is booming in terms of % increase. The real story is that NYC will be a much more Asian city than before.

The White and Hispanic populations are largely stable, and the Black population is decreasing slightly. Asian population is booming.