Decline of Whites in NYC?

[futurecity]

Certain segments of our political demographic would dismiss you as a heathen, since you said Nature instead of God.

Well, those people don't exist for me, I chose not to allow such stupidity into my world. Of course, many people do believe that an old man who looks like "santa" is sitting on his sky throne making decisions for them. I accept their beliefs, but I just filter most of it out.

On the other hand, after all this discussion that has been interesting, nobody mentioned the massive influx of Hispanics into the Bronx nor discussed whether the Bronx would benefit or not from this demographic change.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Well, those people don't exist for me, I chose not to allow such stupidity into my world.

That was a sarcastic exchange between Merry and myself.

Maybe that's what you should be filtering out.

[ASchwarz]

On the other hand, after all this discussion that has been interesting, nobody mentioned the massive influx of Hispanics into the Bronx nor discussed whether the Bronx would benefit or not from this demographic change.

I would guess the white population in the Bronx would start growing, perhaps by the next decennial Census.

Most of the white ethnics that used to populate the Bronx moved somewhere else or passed away a long time ago. You aren't going to get much more decrease from that demographic because it largely no longer exists.

The remaining whites are often heavily religious Jewish, in places like Riverdale or Kingsbridge, and they're a growing community (large families). There's also some hipster influx/gentrification happening in certain neighborhoods (Grand Concourse, Bruckner Boulevard area), and that's a new thing for the Bronx.

The Hispanic population in the Bronx will probably grow, but there's a change going on with Mexicans and Central Americans replacing some of the longtime Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. There should also be growth in the Asian population, especially with South Asians who are growing in areas like Parkchester.

I've also noticed a significant West African population along the D train (Grand Concourse). I suspect parts of Highbridge and the like are becoming heavily West African.

[ZippyTheChimp]

On the other hand, after all this discussion that has been interesting, nobody mentioned the massive influx of Hispanics into the Bronx nor discussed whether the Bronx would benefit or not from this demographic change.

Economically, it can only be known in hindsight.

You can easily predict social change, such as different religious institutions.

The racial aspect of the US Census has lagged behind economic and social realities. People of all races are much more mobile today. Some Black people leave the city because they can.

Where the Census remains relevant in race breakdown is as a political tool. Minorities respond to politicians who address their ethnicity, so racial data is important in political campaigns.

At the end of it, they get screwed along with everyone else in their economic group.

[futurecity]

I would guess the white population in the Bronx would start growing, perhaps by the next decennial Census.

Most of the white ethnics that used to populate the Bronx moved somewhere else or passed away a long time ago. You aren't going to get much more decrease from that demographic because it largely no longer exists.

The remaining whites are often heavily religious Jewish, in places like Riverdale or Kingsbridge, and they're a growing community (large families). There's also some hipster influx/gentrification happening in certain neighborhoods (Grand Concourse, Bruckner Boulevard area), and that's a new thing for the Bronx.

The Hispanic population in the Bronx will probably grow, but there's a change going on with Mexicans and Central Americans replacing some of the longtime Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. There should also be growth in the Asian population, especially with South Asians who are growing in areas like Parkchester.

I've also noticed a significant West African population along the D train (Grand Concourse). I suspect parts of Highbridge and the like are becoming heavily West African.

Is there tension between the West Africans and the AA community?

[STT757]

Could you please answer my questions directly, thanks.

Also, I must say, that the US in some way or other has ****ed cities up with this school issue by giving families the reason to leave b/c of school choice. City schools need to be as good as suburban schools, no question. This is something that immigrants like myself can't ****ing get and I get extremely angry thinking about all the city kids that are losing out. So many god damn urban issues could be fixed, cities could be urban paradises, if they just got the schools in order no matter what. Money on wars are not worth fighting if our kids can't even get a decent education in the city,whether your poor or rich.

Education is the key to solving urban & social issues. The US needs to focus on bringing education levels in cities to the same level as your average suburb.

I'm sure it's the same in most states, but in New Jersey the money spent on each pupil in Abott districts (Camden, Newark, Asbury Park, Patterson) is significantly higher than in wealthier suburbs. It's not just about money, it has a lot to do with culture. Poor Asian students do significantly better than poor black students in the same inner city schools, the difference is the culture. The poor Asian students are more likely to live with both parents, many times with extended family, and their families hold education in much higher regard. African American students in poor inner city schools are more likely to either live with only one parent, or many times a grandparent. Many times the Grandparents or the single parents are incapable of supporting their children's education due to their work schedules or age.

[Merry]

That was a sarcastic exchange between Merry and myself.

Phew, thank goodness it was sarcastic .

So be it - a heathen, and proud of it .

At the end of it, they get screwed along with everyone else in their economic group.

Well, in that case, couldn't they save some money and not bother having a Census? ()

[lofter1]

A Heathen ^ and an Anarchist

US Census (aka "Enumeration) is required under the US Constitution (the $13 billion cost in 2010 be damned!):

Article I, Section 2:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Well, in that case, couldn't they save some money and not bother having a Census? ()

Hey, whadayatalkin about. Trying to win elections here.

A Heathen ^ and an Anarchist

US Census (aka "Enumeration) is required under the US Constitution (the $13 billion cost in 2010 be damned!)

Well, you have to count the population to determine congressional and electoral representation. And demographic breakdown is also necessary (age, education, income, etc) to determine community needs.

Of all of these, race is the least important.

[lofter1]

Agreed that race should be of little importance for the enumeration. But given the history of red-lining practices, it might be a necessary component.