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    It leads to 34th St and the convention center. Perfect gateway.

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    To NOT retain / restore this entire section of the High Line will be a huge mistake --

    The possibilities this section of the HL offers for public access in that area and across from the still-unconstructed stretch of the Hudson River Park can not be duplicated -- and such access / open space WILL not be willingly constructed by developers here if the far western section of the HL comes down.

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    Plus it could be a catalyst working in favor of development rather than against it, as happened downtown. From what I can see it skirts neatly around the railyards, so what's the problem?

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    ^
    The problem is that the actual developers (not the pretend ones on Wired NY) have the complete opposite opinion. They all say preservation will mean a less viable project and less money for the MTA.

    I'll believe the people that actually have experience with development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
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    The problem is that the actual developers (not the pretend ones on Wired NY) have the complete opposite opinion. They all say preservation will mean a less viable project and less money for the MTA.

    I'll believe the people that actually have experience with development.
    And how are the two mutually exclusive?

    Yes, preserving it will get the MTA less money and less viable project space, but the blunt truth is, it would just make it harder for them to do what they need to do.

    The less stuff on site, the less work you need to do on all levels (Arch, engineering AND construction).

    But implying that nothing would be built there because of it is not very feasable either, since, as was shown with spiking unit prices and buyouts down in the village near the line, the line and promise of green space make it more desirable to the resedential market.

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    I didn't say it was impossible; I responded to everyone asking why the developers were against the idea.

    It apparently can be done, but the developers say it will mean less money for subways and other transit, less on-site affordable housing and less tax revenue from the project.

    There's a balancing act inherent in such decisions, and if the developers are correct in their assessment, I would choose the additional subway money, tax revenue and affordable housing over an extended elevated walkway. The Highline is already pretty lenghty and substantial in its southern portion.

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    The northern section of the HL -- the section in question -- is the ONLY section which OVERLOOKS the Hudson. This will make it that much more of a money-generating amenity in the future.

    The developers have stated that they would rather tear down the upper stretch of the HL because it makes for easier (less costly) access to the development sites (they wouldn't have to work around the existing structure).

    Remember that until just a couple of years ago the party line among developers was that the southern section of the HL needed to come down as well -- under Giuliani's administration this was the plan that was being discussed. It wasn't until Bloomberg came in and the subsequent upswing in the residential condo market that the powers that be changed direction to and saved the HL.

    That change of plan has greatly increased property values and developemnt possibilities from 28th Street all the way down to 16th Street.

    Are such changes in attitude necessary to make the Hudson Yards a huge money making development? Given current economic conditions probably not. But from a city planning / design point of view retaining the northern HL is the best way to go.

    Clearly there have been behind the scenes discussions between politicians / developers regarding the Hudson Yards / HL which have not been made public. Decisions have been made to keep the Waste Transfer Station and the Sanititation Garage away from that area. It seems that a decision has been made by those same folks to lose the northern section of the High Line.

    It will be interesting to see where Gerry Nadler comes down on this one -- a he wa instrumental in getting the first section of the HL saved.

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    Most folks know the High Line idea was implemented years ago in Paris: railroad viaduct becomes elevated park:



    The Viaduc des Arts:



    Promenade Plantee:



    Intimate relationship:





    (Photos from stellarfun, architecturalBoston)

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    http://www.ohny.org/weekend/
    Open House NY


    High Line, The UPDATE: ONLY AGE 18+ ALLOWED


    neighborhood: Chelsea/Hells Kitchen
    Sat: Oct 6, 11am-4pm
    Sun: Oct 7, 11am-4pm
    Reservations required/ for location: ohny@thehighline.org. ONLY AGE 18 and OVER ALLOWED.
    Maximum people: 20 per tour
    building date: 1934
    architect:

    This historic elevated rail viaduct, donated to the City by CSX Transportation, Inc, is being converted to public open space. Take a walk on the still-untouched rail yards section, courtesy of Friends of the High Line, CSX, and the NYC Dept of Parks & Recreation.

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    Received this response to my request for reservations:


    Due to an overwhelming response, tours of the High Line are completely booked.
    Please email info@thehighline.org if you would like to be added to our wait list (Please do not respond to this e-mail. This e-mail box is not checked).
    In case we are able to host other large public viewings in the future, please also indicate if you would like to be added to our email newsletters.

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    Just imagine the crowds this park (when completed) will generate on a beautiful Spring / Summer day ...

    A version of beautiful Urban Hell?

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    In the beginning it will be packed with every curious New Yorker and tourist in sight but after a while I think it'll settle down a bit. At least on the weekdays.
    I hope it will be even better than the one in Paris.
    NYC needs a home run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy View Post
    NYC needs a home run.
    Not a dog-run!


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    Walking the High Line during the Open House NY weekend.



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    Ed, you have a hot link there to your Flikr show...

    Do you want everyone to see all your shots?

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