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Thread: A New Toll? No, It's Just Value Pricing

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    Somebody going two stops in Midtown should be walking. Better to eliminate the monthly/weekly passes.

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    ^
    They don't make anything by someone walking. And I think the MTA likes the up front cashflow.

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    Depends on the stops Stache.

    If you can get somewhere, like work in the morning, in 5 minutes rather than 15/20 (additional) you are really tempted to do so.

    That goes double for inclement weather.....

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    Then let's raise the fare if it's raining.

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    Isn't what they do for the prices of Umbrellas in Chinatown?


    I wish I were being 100% sarcastic with that.......

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    That would be REALLY popular with the voters.

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    Then let's raise the fare if it's raining.

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    IMO it would be grossly unfair to have tolls on the east river bridges during nights and weekends. Make them weekday tolls, that will reduce congestion sufficiently and raise revenue from manhattan-employed commuters

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    Because automobile and truck traffic don't create air and noise pollution on weekends? And the subways don't run? It's fair that people in the city have one of the highest rate of childhood asthma in the country (http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/download...thma/facts.pdf) despite the fact that everyone here could, potentially, only take public transportation?
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    After talking to many bridge and tunnel types, a lot of them resist going to a park and ride to complete their journey on public transportation. It's like they figure they're already in their car and they want to stay there. Unless there are security concerns at park and ride lots(?)

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    Rold...


    Um, if most traffic occurs during rush hour, and tolls would reduce that traffic (by people being "encouraged" to take public transportation during these times), then yes, pollution would be reduced.

    The other traffic responsible for most of the pollution, such as tractor trailers, are not going to be loading pallets on the N and R. They will still come in even if there was a toll on there 24/7.

    Also, take a look at the number of cars that actually USE some of these crossings on off hours. Would we be able to sustain the manpower needed to keep these things running at 2am on a wednesday?

    So, although I do agree that auto transport does contribute to childhood asthma rates, I do not agree that they are connected enough to make a good argument for tolls on the bridges and tunnels.

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    Isn't that why that expensive proposal was made, about creating a direct freight rail link from Bayonne to Brooklyn? To lessen trucking into the city?

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    Yes and no. The proposal was partially about reducing freight traffic from the port to the city, but the main driver behind it was to offer a shorter route for freight trains from New Jersey to be double-stacked (the current crossing otherwise is just south of Albany)

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    Crossing over to the East side of the Hudson?

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    Oh, my bad. Yeah, going east of the Hudson

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    Not your bad at all. I just wasn't sure.

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