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    The bike path is great, although I haven't tried trapeze school yet. Next adventure will definitely be taking out a kayak on the Hudson - anyone up for that? I would have done it already but it's been RAINING every time I think of it.

    Nice pics Zippy.

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    Pretty. Is that Morton Square on the left?

    edit: never mind. The answer is yes.

    (Edited by Gulcrapek at 12:36 pm on July 7, 2003)

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    Those fake old lampposts. People should be sick of the retro craze by now.

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    Who doesn't like them ?
    They didn't take much risk...

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    August 6, 2003

    Piers as Parks Downtown

    Lower Manhattan's residents face a long period of reconstruction before the promise of a redesigned World Trade Center site becomes reality. In the meantime, there is something that can be done quickly and relatively inexpensively to reassure people who remain committed to the area, and that is to proceed expeditiously with the next downtown segment of the Hudson River Park.

    The park is a city-state project that will eventually stretch from the Battery to 59th Street, giving New Yorkers long-denied access to the waterfront. Recently completed sections near Greenwich Village offer an inviting mix of open space and gardens. Much the same can now be accomplished farther south in TriBeCa, where the plan calls for converting two ramshackle piers into splendid little parks that extend 1,000 feet into the river. Standing on the already rebuilt Greenwich Village piers is a bracing experience, much like being on the bow of a boat. The TriBeCa additions would provide yet more space for a growing crowd of pier lovers who come for sports or picnics, a place to read or simply sit and breathe.

    The cost of redoing these piers would be about $70 million, a modest fraction of the $1.2 billion provided earlier by Washington to help revive the city. There are, of course, other claimants to that money, which the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation must figure out how to spend fairly and wisely. The city wants a chunk for the East River waterfront. There are cultural and transportation needs as well. There's a new wish list every week.

    The decision may fall to Gov. George Pataki, who has considerable control over the corporation. That is a good sign for the future of the park; Mr. Pataki helped get it off the ground in the first place. It can now use another $70 million worth of his help in a neighborhood that richly deserves it.

    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

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    From the Battery Park City Broadsheet:

    River Project, Manhattan Youth, Boathouse, and Yankee Discuss Relocation

    In they ambled, tanned, cheerful, late to the meeting. Jim Gallagher and Bob Townley had missed the agenda item that concerned them, as leaseholders at piers 25 and 26 who need to consider where their businesses will temporarily relocate while the Hudson River Park Trust reconstructs the piers. Unconcerned, they just brought the issue up again at the end of the meeting, after the HRPT representative left.

    This relaxed sensibility has always dictated operations at piers 25 and 26. The four leaseholders - Mr Townley's Manhattan Youth, Mr Gallagher's Yankee ferry, Cathy Drew's River Project, and Jim Wetteroth's Downtown Boathouse - were pioneers at the downtown waterfront, rooting their programs where there was nothing but a platform in the water. All four organizations are now quite successful.

    Design plans call for the piers to be rebuilt, and Connie Fishman of the HRPT says reconstruction will take about three years. If the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation approves in September the $60 million requested by the HRPT, reconstruction of the piers could begin as early as next year.

    Linda Roche, chair of Community Board 1's waterfront committee, is helping the leaseholders plan for their temporary relocation.

    One of the first questions asked of Ms. Fishman, who attended the CB1 meeting, was if there is temporary space available at other HRPT piers.

    "It's not that big a park," she responded. "There aren't utilities in most places, which is a big impediment. It limits where you can relocate people to."

    Looking ahead, the River Project is requesting 5,000 square feet at Pier 40 and electricity to run the Estuarium tanks. Mr Gallagher said he would like to move the Yankee to the south side of Pier 40, and would provide his own fendering (bumpers that protect piers from docked boats) if need be. Mr Wetteroth said he might be able to store the kayaks of the Downtown Boathouse on a barge docked at the Tribeca waterfront. "We don't need a lot of utilities," he said. Mr Townley, who runs the largest program, did not speak of his plans.

    The reconstructed piers will feature modern facilities, upgraded recreation areas, designed plantings, and commissioned public art. Pier 25 alone will gain 180,000 square feet of public space. But current leaseholders fear the easy, low-key ambiance may be lost. At the same meeting, an entrepreneurial duo proposed a "sensational and fabulous" replacement for the slightly ratty but beloved and inexpensive miniature golf course at Pier 25.

    "The organic way the piers have been run is finished and it won't be back," Mr.Gallagher said.

    The River Project

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    I'm very glad to say that I went to Hudson River Park for the first time ever today. *I brought a friend of mine that I've made at NYU who is from New Jersey; he was totally blown away by it. *He thought it was one of the coolest things ever to be built in NYC. *We went to Piers 45 and 46, where there's not much to do other than sunbathe (it was cloudy today), use the quality public restroom, stare at the water and the skyline(s), people-watch, and get crepes from that nice lady who comes over there with a push-cart (they're yummy, by the way). *One of those bow notches separates the two piers, and it's really worth going to.

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    A few more pics from the park...

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    From the Downtown Express

    Trust springs rink surprise

    By Lincoln Anderson

    Recent complaints about lack of communication between the Hudson River Park Trust and the community were highlighted at last Thursday’s Trust board of directors meeting, when an enclosed ice-skating rink was proposed for a location inside Community Board 2 — even though Board 2 had never been notified or consulted. In addition, the Hudson River Park Advisory Council never reviewed the plan. In fact, the Trust’s own board even seemed surprised by the proposal.

    The enclosed rink would be a permanent park structure just north of Spring St.

    Also, the general outlines of the Trust’s interim plan for Pier 40 near Houston St. became clearer last week. The plan would include adding 600 more cars of residential parking and installing one huge multipurpose field covered by artificial grass in the pier’s courtyard.

    In addition, the Friends of Hudson River Park voted earlier the same morning to file a lawsuit over the Trust’s failure to pick a developer for Pier 40 by a deadline in June.

    At last Thursday’s meeting, Robert Balachandran, the Trust’s president and C.E.O., presented to the Trust’s board the plan for the rink, to be enclosed by a tensile, fabric-structure roof and to be located just south of Pier 40 slightly north of Spring St. The rink, slated for a Dec. 30 opening, would be used for ice-skating in winter and rollerblading and other events in summer. The building’s design includes sliding windows and rollup doors to lend an open feeling, as opposed to a tennis bubble-type covering without openings.

    The project cost would be $2.6 million, to be reimbursed by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., the agency funding post-9/11 projects in Lower Manhattan.

    An L.M.D.C.-funded $600,000 project for interim tennis courts in the same area has been delayed a year so repairs to the bulkhead (seawall) and infrastructure can be made first, allowing the courts to be permanent.

    Trust board member Henry Stern, former Parks Department chairperson, immediately expressed concern, noting, “This is not an ice rink. This is an icehouse. And that’s not what parks are about. Parks are about open space. The idea of new open space and putting a building on it is a problem.”

    Likening the building to a “suburban Quonset hut,” Stern noted, “If we proposed to do this in Central Park, the landmarks community would be outraged.”

    Balachandran said the covering was needed to keep the rink cool, which is the main operating cost.

    “It’s a structure,” Balachandran added. “A building sounds too pejorative.”

    Balachandran said that unlike Central Park or Rockefeller Center, the Hudson River waterfront gets “brutally cold in the winter.”

    Stern asked why putting the rink in one of the park’s existing pier-shed houses wasn’t considered. The L.M.D.C. grant money extends as far north as Houston St., which makes Pier 40 an eligible site. But Balachandran said they didn’t want to put it on Pier 40 because it could complicate the pier’s development.

    Asked by Trust board member Julie Nadel how long the structure would be in the park, Balachandran said, “This is forever. This would be a permanent structure.”

    Nadel asked if the Hudson River Park Advisory Council had seen the plan. Balachandran said no, but that Governor Pataki has “had it in the works for several months.”

    Former state Senator Franz Leichter, a Trust board member, asked if the proposal had every gone before the community boards. Connie Fishman, the Trust’s vice president, said yes — Board 1. However, Judy Duffy, Board 1’s assistant district manager, said only the rink, not the structure, had been presented to the board. (Duffy later said a tennis bubble had been shown, but that it wasn’t anything like the structure.)

    Balachadran acknowledged that the plan had not been shown to Board 2.

    Arthur Schwartz, former chairperson of Board 2’s Waterfront Committee, passed a reporter a note that read: “This proposal is outrageous — a permanent facility without any public process. This is in C.B. 2 and C.B. 2 has never discussed it. It isn’t in Board 1.” Canal St. is the boundary between Boards 2 and 1.

    Trip Dorkey, Trust chairperson, said they should defer voting on the matter but that he might bring it up over the phone with them at some point in the next two months. Board member Diana Taylor, an appointee of Pataki who is Mayor Bloomberg’s companion, wanted to know if there was a time limit on using the L.M.D.C. money for the ice rink. Dorkey said they’d check.

    Last year, the Trust had been considering Pier 25 at N. Moore St. in Tribeca, or a spot nearby, as the site for the rink. But the electricity at the site apparently was not sufficient, Duffy said.

    Pier 40 interim plan

    In regard to Pier 40, Balachandran said that at the end of this year, the existing lease for the pier, held by C&K Properties, expires. FedEx and other commercial tenants, like Academy Bus and the Police Department Barrier Unit, will have to vacate the pier at that time under the Park Act. The Trust has put out a request for proposals, due back by Nov. 7, for operators for residential parking on the pier. The lease is for four years with two one-year extensions. Balachandran said a guideline has been set of 2,800 to 2,900 cars, more than the current 2,000, though the developers can come back with proposals for more or less cars, he noted. The Trust hopes to include a clause in the lease allowing 60-day cancellation.

    Balachandran didn’t have any design plans for the Pier 40 interim uses to show last Thursday. He said that the Trust’s staff is currently working on the designs for public space on the pier, but he did not say when it would be built.

    Chris Martin, Trust spokesperson, said there will be one “really big field” in the pier’s interior courtyard covered by FieldTurf, an artificial-grass surface. “It could be for baseball, soccer, lacrosse and football. It’s going to be multipurpose,” Martin said.Balachandran said that “absent any speed bumps in the selection process,” they should have a parking lot operator in place by Dec. 31.

    Balachandran said he expects they will have some designs for the interim plan to show the Trust’s board by the next board meeting, probably to be held in November, and that before then they plan to make presentations to a committee headed by Duffy as well as to “the community.”

    Balachandran had said in July that he would have a Pier 40 plan to show the board within two months. Explaining the added delays, he said, “We hadn’t sat down with the community yet. First, internally, we had to have some idea of what we wanted to do. It would be unfair to the community to go to them first… We want the fields; we want open space.”

    Asked if the individual community boards would have a chance to review the Pier 40 plan, Balachandran said, “I’d say ‘capital C community.’ But we’re going to act through the Advisory Council. Everyone will have an opportunity to be heard.”

    Pier 40 committee

    Duffy said the Advisory Council has set up a Pier 40 committee to review the interim plan.

    In addition to the need for field space on the pier, Duffy said, “I think we’d like to reclaim some of the third-floor roof space for passive recreation space. A car doesn’t have to have a river view.” An interim playground on the roof with a soft surface is an idea, too, she said, since the new Pier 51 water playground at Jane St. is always mobbed.

    The hope is to have the interim active and passive recreational uses on the pier ready by the spring, she said.

    However, the lack of information about the Trust’s doings remains a serious problem, said Jim Smith, chairperson of C.B. 2. He said the ice rink episode exemplifies the problem.

    Told that Duffy will be heading the Pier 40 committee, Smith was dubious about it, since Duffy is an employee of C.B. 1, whose chairperson, Madelyn Wils, is on the Trust’s board of directors.

    “It comes down to appearances,” Smith said. “I’m not that comfortable with having an employee of a community board acting as head of a committee that’s supposed to be a watchdog of a body, one of whose members is her boss.”

    “In the end, the community boards are going to have a review,” he said. “It’ll go its appropriate way and it’ll have an appropriate process.”

    As for the lawsuit by Friends of Hudson River Park on the failed Pier 40 development process, Schwartz, who is the Friends’ attorney on the case, said it will have to be filed by Oct. 10, since the statue of limitations is four months from June 10, when the Trust said it made the decision not to pick one of three development groups vying for the pier. Schwartz said he’s rounding up plaintiffs, but can’t comment on who they might be.

    Summing up the basis of the lawsuit, Schwartz said: “The Trust acted in bad faith when it failed to choose a developer and attempt to negotiate final plans for Pier 40. It set back the process for too long a time, in my opinion, so they could receive greater rent from Pier 40. Pier 40 is to provide needed park and recreational space for Downtown, and not be an income generator for the park. The Trust will have a hard time explaining to a court why they couldn’t pick a developer to negotiate with. They didn’t have to pick a plan…. All they were required to do was pick a developer and have three months to negotiate. The legislation says they ‘shall pick a developer,’ not ‘may pick a developer’ or ‘ought to pick a developer.’ ”

    “The ice-skating rink could draw thousands and thousands of people to the park,” Schwartz said, “and [the Trust] didn’t come before the [community] board at all. I think the Trust has the impression no one is guarding the chicken coop. And this is the middle of a period where there is so much going on.”

    The Trust’s proposed ice rink just south of Pier 40

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    I like the idea of a rink but I don't like that ugly tent over it.

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    Baltimore & Ohio RR Float Transfer Bridge

    In 1890, the B&O RR purchased land on 12 Ave between W24 and W26 St and built a freight yard. Tracks ran from the yard across 12 Ave to the float transfer bridge, which was used to load and unload RR cars onto barges. The barges were towed to facilities in Jersey City, and later to a new port in St George, Staten Island. The landfill for the Staten Island facility came from foundations being dug for new high rise buildings in Manhattan.

    The float transfer bridge operated until 1973. In the early 80s the land was sold and the B&O went out of business. The Postal Service and Dept of Sanitation repair facilities now occupy the site.

    The float transfer bridge has been restored, and is open to the public. It's listed on the National Register of Historic Places.



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    Cool thanks for the posting. I can't wait to see the Float Transfer Bridge.

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    Many thanks to all of you for those beautiful pictures...If i'll get the chance to live in NY (cross my fingers), i think that every sunday's i'll go out for a walk.....

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    December 18, 2003

    Money for Hudson Park Trust Is Running Out


    The plan to create a five-mile-long park along the Hudson River waterfront to 59th Street from Battery Park was announced in 1998 with great fanfare and a $200 million commitment from the city and the state.

    Five years later, the money is running out and the 550-acre park is only half finished. Critics yesterday testified at a public hearing, saying that the Hudson River Park Trust, which was created by the governor and the mayor to oversee development and operation of the park, has failed to seek additional public financing or conduct public hearings to explain its plans. Nor has the trust moved to eliminate parking garages and other operations within the park's borders, critics said.

    "My concern is that the vision of the park embodied in the state legislation is in jeopardy because of the pressures on the trust to find revenues and not complain about the lack of capital funding," Albert K. Butzel, chairman of the Friends of Hudson River Park Trust, said yesterday. "The real crisis here is the lack of public funding."

    Mr. Butzel, whose group has established a fund for the park with $1 million contributed by the Durst real estate family, spoke yesterday at the hearing about the trust conducted by Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky, chairman of the committee on corporations, authorities and commissions.

    Mr. Butzel and others complained that to offset the lack of money, the trust has sought other revenue from commercial development, which is often incompatible with the plans for the park.

    Earlier this year, the trust completed a section of the park that runs along Greenwich Village and won rave reviews. Charles E. Dorkey III, chairman of the trust, said yesterday that the agency was building Clinton Cove Park, between 54th and 57th Streets, and hoped to begin construction of Pier 84 at 42nd Street next spring.

    But, Mr. Dorkey said, the trust expected to exhaust the $200 million provided by the state and the city by the end of next year. He said it would cost another $200 million to complete the park. The trust has applied to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation for $95 million to build a section of the park between Chambers and Houston Streets, he said.

    He said the trust, whose members are appointed by the governor and the mayor, had not asked either the city or the state for more financing. Mr. Dorkey also rejected complaints that his agency had failed to solicit public involvement. "I would characterize the public input into the design of Hudson River Park as easily the most inclusive of any project of its kind," he said.

    Mr. Dorkey later acknowledged, however, that the agency had never invoked a 60-day comment period before taking "significant actions" affecting the park or the community, as required by state legislation.

    Mr. Butzel said the trust had failed to notify the public that it considered a skating rink at Pier 40, where there are plans for athletic fields, or that its current proposal is to expand the parking garage on the pier and extend the lease for seven years.

    "This is an agency in crisis," Mr. Brodsky said yesterday. "This is a park that could take the next step, or bog down badly."

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