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    Default Public/Private with/without fisticuffs?

    perhaps this is something that a group like the Friends of Hudson River Park should do, assuming that they stake out positions independent of HRPT staff.

    this just in www.sohopolitics.com

    Apparently, Douglas Durst, the developer/head of Friends of Hudson River Park has seen fit to give Al Butzel his walking papers. Within the last six months or so, things have not been hunky-dory at FOHRP and there has been some gnashing of teeth at the community response to Butzel's particular charms.

    There is no doubt that Al is one of the most knowledgeable people downtown when it comes to Waterfront issues. He has been liked and disliked by many an activist and bureaucrat but he did know his stuff.

    However, a few public verbal fisticuffs have tarnished his usually charming patina, particularly at a recent Board #1 meeting where he and David Reck had "words."

    What is being discussed in lieu of his present position as President is a "consulting" role.
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    Your link is no good ^^^

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    The link is working now. There are a series of articles, the one mentioned above is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBTwo View Post
    Pier 40 is used by more than just children of parents that live in the community. One has only to go over there late in the day or early in the morning and see it's used by adults from all over the city. It's a citywide jewel box opened for the enjoyment of many that don't have access to playing fields.
    That's great, and happily they will continue to enjoy Pier 40 under the Related proposal.

    Since you apparently place a high value on "the enjoyment of many", I can only assume you will be working in support of the Related proposal, which will benefit far more people than the unworkable "People's Pavillion" or whatever the NIMBY do-nothing proposal is calling itself.

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    That Downtown Express article is such crap. How on earth does this "newspaper" know whether the Village supports one proposal or the other? We all know that the usual group of people will oppose anything being built anywhere in the neighborhood. This group of activists might make up 5% of the neighborhood. What about the other 95%?

    Also, why is it important what a few people in the immediate neighborhood think? This is the City of New York, not some tiny suburb. City projects should only be considered on the basis of overall city priorities, not based on the priorities of a few rich locals. If city projects were sited based only on neighborood preferences, nothing could ever be accomplished.

    Why is it more important what the Village thinks about the Pier, as opposed to what Canarsie (for example) thinks about the pier? This is Manhattan, which is used by the city (and the region) as a whole. Some obscure corner of Staten Island should have some local input, but people who choose to live in the middle of a global crossroads cannot expect to have their parochial interests override the benefits to millions of residents and visitors.

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    If the use of the pier was only for the "immediate" neighborhood that would be a waste of open space. What would one consider the "immediate" neighborhood? Christopher to Spring, Varick to the river?

    I'm not sure who all these other people who are using the pier for soccer and other sports are, but I am sure they are not from the "immediate" neighborhood. There just aren't that many people in the "immediate" neighborhood.

    Plus although the pier is large, a million residents and visitors, let alone millions of residents and visitors using the facilities over the weekends would overtax the seven available toilets. Some of which are not working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
    Why is it more important what the Village thinks about the Pier, as opposed to what Canarsie (for example) thinks about the pier? benefits to millions of residents and visitors.
    Because it is a park, not a site for commercial development.

    Does the entire city get equal weight as to how the Canarsie Pier (for example) is developed?

    No, it doesn't. Because, Canarsie Pier, like Pier 40, is a neighborhood park. It's no different than Brooklyn Bridge Park or any park in the city. The local community always gets a greater say.

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    There is a difference. Pier 40 is part of a larger park, and it is in Manhattan, the center of New York City. It isn't some local park like Canarsie Pier, out in the boonies. I think that's a bit out of line to compare it to Canarsie. Who cares what they do way out there. This is a high profile location, reasonably close to many other attractions. I don't think it's useful to lump it in with every other patch of grass or pier in the outer boroughs and try to persuade us it's no different when it obviously is.

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    I only mentioned Canarsie Pier because ASchwarz brought up Canarsie. I included Brooklyn Bridge Park as well.

    Then principle is the same for all NYC parks. The city gets involved through the parks department and City Council, but only the particular CBs get are included.

    When HRP was chartered, it was specifically noted that the state, city, and CB for each segment would decide the development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Because it is a park, not a site for commercial development.

    Does the entire city get equal weight as to how the Canarsie Pier (for example) is developed?

    No, it doesn't. Because, Canarsie Pier, like Pier 40, is a neighborhood park. It's no different than Brooklyn Bridge Park or any park in the city. The local community always gets a greater say.
    Central Park, Hudson River Park, Brooklyn Bridge Park, Prospect Park, Flushing Meadows, etc. are not neighborhood parks, they are citywide parks. I live five miles from Prospect Park but use it almost every weekend.

    The city as a whole should decide on a course of action for the major, citywide parks. Locals should not be able to thwart citywide needs. The Canarsie Pier is more of a neighborhood pier, and the locals should have more input. Nobody from Soho goes to Canarsie Pier.

    More importantly, we are not talking about a park per se. We are talking about commerical development which funds the park.

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    What part of this \/ regarding the HRP Charter isn't clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post

    When HRP was chartered, it was specifically noted that the state, city, and CB for each segment would decide the development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    What part of this \/ regarding the HRP Charter isn't clear?
    If it's true, it should be modified to simply read city and state. Local CBs should not have equal weight on a citywide resource.

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    Seems a few folks want to re-write all sorts of provisions included in the well negotiated and legally binding HRP Charter (dredging, infill, Gansevoort Penisnula, Pier 40, CB input, Trash sites, etc. etc.).

    If folks are serious about this rather than just griping they'd be best to hire some expensive lawyers and get busy lobbying because such proposed changes will be hard fought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
    Central Park, Hudson River Park, Brooklyn Bridge Park, Prospect Park, Flushing Meadows, etc. are not neighborhood parks, they are citywide parks. I live five miles from Prospect Park but use it almost every weekend..
    What parks you go to has nothing to do with what I said.

    When changes are proposed to ANY NYC park, it is presented to the CB(s) in which the park is located. ANY park. That's what happened at Brooklyn Bridge Park. Pier 40 is no different. What is specific in the HRP charter is that each CB would have a say in the segment of the park that is within its district, rather than all the CBs acting collectively. Even if that were eliminated, the other CBs throughout the city would still not get a vote.

    The vote, BTW, is strictly advisory. Look what happened at Washington Square. The neighborhood rejected the renovation plans, and the city ignored them.

    The voice that you, and all NYC residents, have is through the City Council, which has the final say.

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    Pier 40 is hardly on the same scale as Central Park, Prospect Park or Flushing Meadows. It can't even fit two full sized baseball fields inside the "doughnut". And why should that particular section of the park be the major financial source for the rest of the park?

    It's a small scale "neighborhood" park (large for that neighborhood) that happens to entertain a lot of people from out of the "neighborhood."

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