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    Whatever else happens, looks like the dream of a subway line from 125th to 63rd is going to come true for the UES. Hard to believe that in 6 months to so, the tunneling will be done.

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    Unfortunately, the planned route doesn't go to Tompkins Square. They should at least add a station at St Mark's Pl. 14th St to Houston is too long a run.

    There will be a Seaport station, at Fulton and Water Sts.

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    The MTA opened the underground Second Avenue subway work site, between East 92nd and 95th streets, to the media last Friday, May 14th.

    You can find a large set of images from this media event on these two links:

    Inside The Launch Box: The Big Picture - May 14, 2010

    Inside The Launch Box: a little detail - May 14, 2010

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    Second Avenue merchants: subway construction cutting business by up to 40%

    By Jane C. Timm


    Second Avenue at the corner of 73rd Street, the Beach Café on 70th Street and Second Avenue and
    Pyramida Grill on the corner of 73rd Street and Second Avenue


    As Second Avenue Subway construction slogs on, more Upper East Side businesses are reporting additional losses -- and the end is far from near.

    The construction has been obstructing businesses and walkways, even forcing residents out of their building for renovations in the 90s, but farther down the avenue, another stretch is suffering.

    On Second Avenue between 69th and 74th streets -- where the east half of the street is fenced off for five blocks and has shrunk ordinarily wide sidewalks into smaller, temporary walkways -- business owners say their sales are down 20 to 40 percent. According to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, this area still has another three years of construction in the works, and the entire first phase, from 63rd to 96th streets, won't be finished until 2016.

    The Beach Café on 70th Street has been in business for 42 years, but according to owner Dave Goodside there's "no guarantee that we're going to be in business next year and that's due to the subway construction. We've never felt like that before, but that's how we feel."

    His business is down 25 percent, Goodside said.

    "We deal with challenges every day that are related to the subway," he said.

    Especially troublesome is the street lighting -- which was relocated by construction and darkens outside the restaurant at night -- and altered trash collection patterns, which in turn has impacted outdoor seating.

    To deal with the losses, the Beach Café is dropping menu prices (weekend brunch prices are now 25 percent lower) and there are new weekly promotions on wine and lobster, Goodside said. They're also working to spruce up the exterior of the restaurant.

    "We're trying to maintain our existing customers, as we're not getting as many new customers," he added.

    New York State Assemblyman Jonathan Bing is the sponsor of a bill, which was proposed by Assemblyman Micah Kellner last year and passed in the Assembly in March. The bill would offer tax abatements for commercial property owners located in construction areas along Second Avenue.

    The Second Avenue Subway will help both the city and the state, Bing said, and "I think it's our responsibility" to help the local businesses hurt by its construction," he added.

    The MTA has tried to be as helpful as possible to local businesses, said Kevin Ortiz, an MTA spokesperson. In addition to having a full-time liaison working with business owners affected by the construction as well as local community groups and elected officials, the MTA is participating in a promotional campaign called "Shop Second Avenue" that looks to promote the Second Avenue businesses through an advertising campaign. They are also working to ensure proper promotional signage for businesses obstructed by the construction.

    Surface roadwork on Second Avenue between 69th and 74th streets began in Fall 2008. The MTA is currently awarding another construction contract for the next 37 months.

    Jae Lee owns two stores on Second Avenue near 73rd Street -- Naturino and Greenstones. Both have seen considerable losses due to the construction, he said.

    "Before the construction began, a lot of my customers drove and parked right outside, bought their shoes and clothing," Lee said. "But now they aren't able to do that."

    Lee said sales at both stores are down 20 to 30 percent.

    Roger Remkissoon, owner of Pyramida Grill on the corner of 73rd Street, said his business is down 40 percent because of the subway construction. The restaurant is trying to bolster its delivery business, which now represents 70 percent of the overall sales, through flyering and promotions.

    Goodside said he'd been to community meetings with the MTA and that they'd been as "accommodating as I think they're able to," but that it's still a struggle for small businesses. "They have to do their job, they have to build the subway." For now, he said he's working to "keep the business viable and not go into the red numbers."

    Further north, tenants and business owners alike continue to struggle. "We are all being affected negatively. Tenants are frustrated by the lack of information forthcoming by the MTA and the nuisance of the construction. The small business owners may not survive due to loss of revenue," Bonnie Boyuk said. Boyuk is a resident of 1873 Second Avenue, the building that will be evacuated later this month to accommodate construction efforts. The MTA said the evacuation of 1873 Second Avenue would begin Sept. 11.

    http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...y-construction

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    second avenue subway construction from this past saturday 8/28/2010
     
     
    do you like your massive construction project pics? if so this thread’s for you - lol!

    i’m never in this neighborhood but since I was the other day i walked along 2nd ave from the 70’s to the 90’s to check out the 2nd ave subway construction progress. i was surprised by all the crew and activity I saw, at least 50-75 workers along the route and non-stop action. i was also very impressed by how well the street disruptions were being handled.

    first, you can read all about it via wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway
    The total cost of the 8.5-mile (13.7 km) line is expected to be over $17 billion.

    last thursday the TBM doubled estimates and achieved a one day (not so) boring record:

    http://thelaunchbox.blogspot.com/2010/08/tbm-now-mining-faster-than-planned.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed &utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheLaunchBox+%28The+Launch+B ox%29

    ^the above launchbox blog sez:
    The machine has now mined a total of 1,760 feet of TBM Run No. 1 (i.e. the west tunnel) as of yesterday - which by my calculations would put it at about 85th Street.”
    TBM Run No. 1 (west tunnel)
    92nd Street to 65th Street
    7,200 linear feet
    40 foot starter tunnel
    1,760 feet mined w/TBM to date
    5,400 feet to run
     
    ANNOUNCED COMPLETION DATES FOR PHASE ONE OF THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY
    2/2018
    12/2016
    8/2017 - 6/2018
    7/2016 - 7/2017
    2015
    2014
    2013
    2012


    ^ i.e. the date when Q Line service will be extended to the Upper East Side, via Second Avenue, with station stops at 63rd, 72nd, 86th, and 96th Streets. so don’t hold yr breath!

    *lots more interesting info on that blog if you like to dig in! also, here’s a eye-popping photo I found of the launchbox (around 90th-96th streets) from 5/2010:

    maps:

     
    lastly, i see we even have news from this morning - its dangerous and toxic down there!:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/subway_made_me_sick_suit_SbPdNoOf030qC4DTjO68BN?CM P=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=
     
    “hey whats going on here?”

























    “we’re workin here…brother!”





    finally, these are from later on, toward the end of the day




    *** i hope you enjoyed a peek at a day in the life of this big transit project ***

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    Above Ground, a 2nd Ave. Subway Plan Attracts Critics

    By TERRY PRISTIN


    A rendering of a subway building at 72nd Street and Second Avenue.

    The Second Avenue subway, finally under construction on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, is of course a vast underground project. The $4.45 billion first phase, now scheduled to be completed in 2018, will extend from 96th Street to 63rd Street and Lexington Avenue.

    But the project will also include construction above ground — not just station entrances but also a half-dozen boxy buildings on corners along Second Avenue that the transit agency acquired through condemnation. These so-called ancillary buildings, ranging in height from five to eight stories, will house ventilation equipment. They are also intended to disperse smoke and allow for evacuation from subway tunnels in the event of an emergency.

    To the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of New York, the proposed buildings, designed by DMJM+Harris and Arup, part of the team that designed the Jet Blue Terminal at Kennedy International Airport, are “handsome in proportion and detail, while simple and straightforward in design.”

    But to some real estate specialists, the structures represent a missed opportunity or an unwelcome industrial intrusion into a residential neighborhood, or both. Richard Bass, the chief planning and development specialist for Herrick, Feinstein, a law firm based in Midtown Manhattan, said that at three of the sites — on 97th Street, 72nd Street and 69th Street — the M.T.A. could have worked with private developers to incorporate the ancillary buildings into residential towers.

    Mr. Bass represented a co-op on 69th Street in negotiations with the M.T.A. over the adjacent ancillary building. He is not involved in a lawsuit the co-op filed against the Federal Transit Administration and the M.T.A.

    On each of the corners cited by Mr. Bass, the developers could have sought development rights, known as air rights, from smaller adjacent residential buildings, Mr. Bass said. He said taller apartment buildings would have been more in character with a residential neighborhood and would have helped fill a need for moderately priced housing. In addition, the M.T.A. could have had the developers share in the cost of the subway structures, Mr. Bass said.

    “It seems that the M.T.A. missed an opportunity to play in the real estate game in a way that would have been a win-win-win,” Mr. Bass said. “This could have provided the M.T.A. with a more cost-effective facility, a more urbanistically appropriate structure for the surrounding community, and an opportunity to create more housing in partnership with developers.”

    Citing the pending lawsuit filed by the 69th Street co-op, M.T.A. officials were unwilling to be interviewed. But they did agree to answer written questions by e-mail. They said they would not release cost estimates for the ancillary buildings until they had hired the contractors. Nor would they say how much they had paid for the building sites.

    Kevin Ortiz, an M.T.A. spokesman, said by e-mail that the agency had worked with developers on both the 97th Street site, where the Century Lumber Corporation once stood, and on 72nd Street, the longtime home of Falk Drug and Surgical Supplies. Plans for 72nd Street, where the site measures 75 feet by 75 feet, were scuttled because “in order for a development to work, additional property would have had to be acquired, which we couldn’t justify as a transportation use,” he said.

    On 97th Street, “M.T.A. Real Estate worked very long and hard to make it work, but in the end the developer lost interest,” he said.

    In a subsequent e-mail, Aaron Donovan, another M.T.A. spokesman, said the developers that the agency had consulted owned the sites. Mr. Donovan said the agency had not issued requests for proposals from developers “because we didn’t own the properties,” which were acquired through eminent domain.

    According to the M.T.A., only the 97th Street site, which measures 100 feet by 125 feet, is large enough to accommodate a residential development. The M.T.A. also would not say why it did not consult a second developer for that site.

    Several developers, architects and engineers took issue with the M.T.A. and said the agency should have sought to work with private developers. “It does sound like a missed opportunity,” said Douglas Durst, who developed the Bank of America building at One Bryant Park. The 69th Street site, at 50 feet by 80 feet, “is a little tight,” he said, “but the others are the perfect size for residential.”

    Some real estate specialists said the transit agency could have found a model in an agreement struck in connection with the extension of the No. 7 subway line on the far West Side of Manhattan.

    On a large site at 26th Street and 11th Avenue owned by the Moinian Group, the M.T.A. plans to build a seven-story ancillary structure for that line. The building was designed so Moinian Group could eventually build a residential tower that would incorporate the M.T.A. building, said Oskar Brecher, director of development for Moinian.

    “It was a very complicated process that required a great deal of time,” Mr. Brecher said. “The midwife was the Hudson Yards Development Corporation,” he added, referring to the city agency overseeing the development of the area.

    Around the country, public officials have worked with the private sector to encourage development along new mass transit lines to increase ridership. Of course, no one thinks the Second Avenue subway will lack riders.

    But transit-oriented developments can also be used to defray construction costs. Julia Vitullo-Martin, director of the Center for Urban Innovation at the Regional Plan Association, said the M.T.A. typically had not engaged in strategic thinking when it came to its real estate. “The M.T.A. does not think of its real estate as either an investment opportunity or a development opportunity,” she said.

    For Civitas, a civic group representing the Upper East Side and East Harlem, the critical issue is how the buildings, to be made of terra cotta tile, glass and granite, will affect street life along Second Avenue. The local community board has yet to take a formal position on the ancillary buildings.

    “Certainly, the design of these structures could be improved,” said Hunter Armstrong, the executive director. “Having large blank industrial buildings inserted into a lively streetscape will diminish the activity and appeal of Second Avenue,” he said. Civitas persuaded the M.T.A. to include retail spaces in two of the sites — 360 square feet at 69th Street and 240 square feet at 72nd Street.

    Mr. Ortiz said the M.T.A. chose this style so that the public would recognize the buildings as industrial. He said the structures were not intended to be “starchitecture” but would be “respectful of their immediate surroundings.” The building materials “need to be robust,” he said, “as they will receive only very minimal maintenance attention.”

    The M.T.A. did not always intend to make the buildings look industrial. In the final environmental impact statement, completed in 2004, it said they “could be designed to appear like a neighborhood row house in height, scale, materials and colors.”

    The M.T.A.’s decision to build industrial rather than brownstonelike buildings was cited in a federal lawsuit filed in January against the Federal Transit Administration and the M.T.A. by a cooperative apartment building, 233 East 69th Street. Residents say that, as now conceived, the auxiliary building would be so close to their building that 32 windows facing east would be blocked. They also contend that the building “would be totally out of harmony” with the neighborhood.

    At a conference on April 14, the M.T.A. argued that its building would blend in with the surroundings, but Judge William H. Pauley III of Federal District Court in Manhattan disagreed. “You’re asking me to suspend my common sense,” he said.

    The M.T.A. had no comment on the lawsuit, which is still in its early stages.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/re...ref=realestate

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    These corners are prime for retail and apartments, to just use them as ventilation and emergency egress is a waste of the space.

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    I'm guessing that the amount of core space in the building that would be needed to serve the subway function would be too large to allow for ground floor retail. To build apartments above, if I'm reading the article above correctly, would have required seizing more property by eminent domain, likely to provide lobby and other ground floor space for a residential building above. This could probably not be justified.

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    That is deadening architecture, especially on such a prominent intersection.

    MTA FAIL

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    MTA= clustereff.

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    LOL!

    I haven't heard that one in decades.

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    ^^

    Wow. I feel old

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
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    I'm guessing that the amount of core space in the building that would be needed to serve the subway function would be too large to allow for ground floor retail. To build apartments above, if I'm reading the article above correctly, would have required seizing more property by eminent domain, likely to provide lobby and other ground floor space for a residential building above. This could probably not be justified.
    Buying air rights doesn't mean seizing them. There's air rights for sale in almost every block in Manhattan. The MTA wasted an opportunity with that, which was what I got from the article.

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    Mr. Ortiz said the M.T.A. chose this style so that the public would recognize the buildings as industrial
    Why is that necessary? Are they afraid we'll try to live there?

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    I'm not talking about air rights. The reasin the need the ground plot is for the ventilation and emergency access. These are basically vertical shafts. I'm guessing the building basically just encloses these, maybe with same large fans at the top. The width and depth of the building are probabaly not much bigger than the cross section of the shafts themselves. There probably isn't any leftover space on the ground level for retail.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyO View Post
    Buying air rights doesn't mean seizing them. There's air rights for sale in almost every block in Manhattan. The MTA wasted an opportunity with that, which was what I got from the article.

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