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    The "New Coney Island" Gets A Website

    Posted by Jen Chung



    If technology can see into the future, then the future is clearly Vegas for Coney Island. Gowanus Lounge looks at the new Coney Island website launched by Thor Equities' PR firm to trumpet the New Coney Island: THE FUTURE OF CONEY ISLAND.

    GL notes, "The site focuses on new amusements, job opportunities, community and retail opportunities. It omits mention of more controversial plans to develop luxury housing highrises on the boardwalk." And, boy howdy, does it! The site has an entrancing sound bite-heavy Flash Intro. Here are some screencaps:





    And, for some other Coney Island delights, did you realize there are Nathan's Gummi Hot Dogs?

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    The new C.I. website is a Thor tool. Comments cannot be posted, but must be submitted for review and approval. It shows lots of blurry images of crowded areas that, given Thor's history, are most likely retail areas.

    Under Thor's proposal, the amusement area in C.I. will be smaller than at any other time in C.I.'s history.

    The "new C.I. website" says nothing about the Taconic Investment's property sites west of Keyspan Park.

    This is Thor emulating Bruce Ratner's Atlantic Yards tactics and Thor is proving to be second rate. Thor went from the company of promise to the company of lies. They want to build housing and hotels on 2/3 of the land they own. The amusement area will be less than a third of what it is now.

    Developers are scumbags.

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    So has anything changed yet. i haven't been there in a few years and the only that that had changed was the subway station....

    any pics?

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    City Signals No-Go for Coney Island Luxury Tower
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    BY ELIOT BROWN - Special to the Sun
    February 15, 2007
    URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/48692

    Developer Joseph Sitt's plan to revitalize Coney Island with new amusements financed with profits from luxury housing is facing new resistance from the city.

    Yesterday, the chairwoman of the Department of City Planning, Amanda Burden, criticized Mr. Sitt's plan to include a luxury tower in the beachfront district that is zoned for amusements.

    "Amusements are incompatible with immediate adjacent residential use," Ms. Burden said at a Crain's New York breakfast presentation in Midtown.

    Mr. Sitt's Thor Equities has planned a $2 billion complex for the area, which would contain a large amusement component, both indoor and outdoor, and retail. The developer says it must finance the amusements with the inclusion of about 700 luxury condominiums along the boardwalk. Market studies show that they need both the extra people and added revenue from the units to make the development financially viable, Thor Equities has said. Last month, the developer threatened to scuttle its plans for the amusement park if the city disallows the residential apartments.

    The city is in the midst of creating a comprehensive plan for the area, which would include rezoning to allow for the amusement complex and nearby residential development. Ms. Burden said rezoning the area for the allowance of residential units in the surrounding area is important for the project, but apartments in the heart of the amusement district would detract from the overall revitalization of Coney Island. Any zoning change would need to pass through the city's uniform land use review process, and requires approvals from the Planning Commission and the City Council.

    A spokesman for Thor Equities, Lee Silberstein, said that discussions with the city are ongoing.

    "We continue to work with the administration to formulate a plan that can be implemented for Coney Island," Mr. Silberstein said.

    As the company dances with the city over the possible inclusion of condominiums, it has been ramping up efforts to sell the project to the community. Thor Equities launched a website for the project last week, which does not mention plans for the residential units, and recently sent out cards to neighbors promoting the potential development.

    In her talk yesterday morning, Ms. Burden also said that a plan for a rezoning in the Manhattan's Garment district would soon be revealed. The rezoning would not call for the addition of residential in the area, she said, once a thriving apparel manufacturing district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    "Amusements are incompatible with immediate adjacent residential use," Ms. Burden said at a Crain's New York breakfast presentation in Midtown.
    Why?

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    There's enough trouble when bars and clubs are unavoidably thrown in the mix together. There are inevitable conflicts.

    It's another thing to actually plan a coexistence.

    I can't comment on Mr Sitt's contention that he needs the extra revenue from condos to finance the project, but that he needs these people in the mix is a big stretch.The idea behind the revitalization is to attract people to use the 4 subway lines to Coney Island year-round, not to have it supported by area residents.

    And even if you accept Sitt's argument, why do these people have to be on the Boardwalk.

    As I suspected, this project is a trojan horse for Sitt to introduce luxury beachfront condos. It's still the easiest way for a developer to turn a nice profit.

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    Yeah, right, Mr. Sitt

    Of course all those occupants of $1M + condos will be lining up daily to ride the Cyclone.

    Trojan Horse indeed ...

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    Heard there was a small article in the Metro (free daily newspaper) earlier this week about boardwalk shops being torn down. Apparently the former shop owners have all signed confidentiality agreements, but I haven't seen the article myself. If anyone has, or has an online link, please post.

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    Not quiet on Coney Island
    Thor wants towers, woman says

    by amy zimmer / metro new york

    FEB 28, 2007

    brooklyn. Dianna Carlin has been making her funky Coney Island-themed T-shirts for her Lola Staar Souvenir Boutique on the boardwalk for seven years.

    She hoped to stay there after Thor Equities began buying up area property — including her building — to redevelop Coney Island. She was reluctant to sign a lease when she saw Thor’s confidentiality clause barring tenants from speaking about neighborhood plans.

    Though she signed the lease last month — “I so badly wanted another summer in Coney Island” — the agreement was never executed. She was evicted days later.

    “They’re trying to deceive everyone into believing they will create amusements,” Carlin said. “They just want to play hardball with the city to get the zoning changed so they can build condos on the boardwalk.” Current zoning does not allow that.

    “Thor has forced everyone to sign the confidentiality clause, so when people go to the businesses and ask about it, all you can do is shrug your shoulders,” she added.

    Before the confidentiality issue, Carlin had a “good relationship” with Joe Sitt, principal of Thor. When Carlin contacted Sitt’s office about her eviction, “The lawyer said the eviction had to do with negotiations with the city. I just feel like I’m this prop. It’s this game for [the developer], but it’s my business.”

    And those of others.

    “They’ve torn down the go-karts, bulldozed the batting cage and part of Shoot the Freak’s walls,” Carlin said. “The entire block from the subway station to the boardwalk will be vacant. When you and your family get off the train, it will look horrible. People should be aware of that so something can be done.”

    She is looking for another Coney Island space.

    “It’s businesses like Lola Staar’s that have given Coney Island its unique flavor and authenticity, and we hope to see it relocate and succeed in the area for many years to come,” said Yonit Golub, spokeswoman for the city’s Economic Development Corporation. “The city is committed to preserving and enhancing Coney Island’s historic amusement area, making sure it stays open to the public and creating economic opportunities for local residents. We have serious concerns that residential uses are not compatible with that vision.”

    Thor declined to comment on Lola Staar, but spokesman Lee Silberstein said, “We continue to work with the city on a plan that can be implemented.”

    Thor's vision

    Thor Equities plans to build amusement rides, an indoor water park, retail space and hotels in Coney Island. It also wants to build luxury condos.

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    Lola gives a very detailed explanation of what Thor did to tenants and what their game plan is, here:

    http://www.coneyisland.com/cgi-bin/y...num=1172752990

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    The design for the NY Aquarium renovation has been selected.

    Moved BrooklynRider's post here.

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    Rather than a "Coney Island Renaissance" this might be turing into a little bit of a "Coney Island Revolution" ...

    Catch the 'Save Coney Island' Wave

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    Tuesday, March 13, 2007
    by Robert






    Don't look now, but that little $2 billion Coney Island redevelopment plan seems to be attracting some opposition. Of course, last week we had the developer taking his problems public and suggesting that questions we being raised by "folks at the junior-most levels of government," by which we think he might have meant Planning Director Amanda Burden. Then, an e-mail started making the rounds about a "No Condos in Coney Protest Party" that "will be hosted by some of New York's most colorful burlesque performers!!" Now, the group is online as "Save Coney Island" with a a myspace page. A sample:
    Thor Equities, the developers who have bought most of Brooklyn's legendary Coney Island, are attempting build luxury high rise condo buildings right in the heart of our Amusement District. They are trying to bully the City of NYC into rezoning the Amusement District to allow them to build these exclusive high rise condos on the boardwalk. Thor Equities is silencing the Coney Island business community so that they cannot speak out about this redevelopment. They are threatening the City with the blight of vacant land and evicted businesses. These hardball negotiating tactics are just the beginning of what is to be a vicious war over the rezoning of Coney Island.
    Oh, and someone has started a "Save Coney Island" online petition. More to come.

    · Save Coney Island [myspace]
    · Save Coney Island: The Party Begins [Brit in Brooklyn]
    · Coney Island #2: Thor Boss Says Haters Just Don't Get It [Curbed]

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    What Can You Do To Save Coney Island- Part One

    Please write a letter to Planning Director, Amanda Burden

    Amanda Burden is NYC's Planning Director. She plays a very important role in determining whether or not Thor Equities will get the rezoning they desire to build luxury condos on the boardwalk in Coney Island. She has made a bold stand against Thor Equities. You can read more about her position in the article that came out in the New York Observer today!

    http://www.observer.com/20070312/200...newsstory1.asp

    Please write to Amanda Burden to let her know that you support her position that there should be NO CONDOS in the Amusement District. The area is currently zoned C7 for Amusements only! This C7 zoning should be preserved!

    You can email her at:

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcp.html

    Even if it is just a brief note to show your support!

    Please let her know that she has the support of the Coney Islands community!

    Or, please sign this online petition:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...ltl=1173754589

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Rather than a "Coney Island Renaissance" this might be turing into a little bit of a "Coney Island Revolution" ...

    Catch the 'Save Coney Island' Wave

    CURBED
    Tuesday, March 13, 2007
    by Robert






    Don't look now, but that little $2 billion Coney Island redevelopment plan seems to be attracting some opposition. Of course, last week we had the developer taking his problems public and suggesting that questions we being raised by "folks at the junior-most levels of government," by which we think he might have meant Planning Director Amanda Burden. Then, an e-mail started making the rounds about a "No Condos in Coney Protest Party" that "will be hosted by some of New York's most colorful burlesque performers!!" Now, the group is online as "Save Coney Island" with a a myspace page. A sample:
    Thor Equities, the developers who have bought most of Brooklyn's legendary Coney Island, are attempting build luxury high rise condo buildings right in the heart of our Amusement District. They are trying to bully the City of NYC into rezoning the Amusement District to allow them to build these exclusive high rise condos on the boardwalk. Thor Equities is silencing the Coney Island business community so that they cannot speak out about this redevelopment. They are threatening the City with the blight of vacant land and evicted businesses. These hardball negotiating tactics are just the beginning of what is to be a vicious war over the rezoning of Coney Island.
    Oh, and someone has started a "Save Coney Island" online petition. More to come.

    · Save Coney Island [myspace]
    · Save Coney Island: The Party Begins [Brit in Brooklyn]
    · Coney Island #2: Thor Boss Says Haters Just Don't Get It [Curbed]

    ***

    What Can You Do To Save Coney Island- Part One

    Please write a letter to Planning Director, Amanda Burden

    Amanda Burden is NYC's Planning Director. She plays a very important role in determining whether or not Thor Equities will get the rezoning they desire to build luxury condos on the boardwalk in Coney Island. She has made a bold stand against Thor Equities. You can read more about her position in the article that came out in the New York Observer today!

    http://www.observer.com/20070312/200...newsstory1.asp

    Please write to Amanda Burden to let her know that you support her position that there should be NO CONDOS in the Amusement District. The area is currently zoned C7 for Amusements only! This C7 zoning should be preserved!

    You can email her at:

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcp.html

    Even if it is just a brief note to show your support!

    Please let her know that she has the support of the Coney Islands community!

    Or, please sign this online petition:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...ltl=1173754589

    OH GAWD...JUST SHUT UP ...there is NOTHING to save over there...




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    I'm with them. Don't think condos belong there.

    Surely there are enough underutilised land in the outlying area where they can build the condos instead.

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