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    Quote Originally Posted by meesalikeu View Post
    i saw this by the pier - anyone know the eta?
    In addition to cost: I have read there was some 'permit' issues. Some news here: if I am correct about this being the same Cony Isl attraction.

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    Water Slide Beach - featuring three inflatable water slides, bungee jumping, lounge chairs and food - was supposed to open on July 4 weekend.

    But state officials threw cold water on that plan - saying the attraction failed to get a special permit it needs because the beach is located in a "coastal erosion hazard area" - and now it's unclear when it will be able to open.

    The state Department of Environmental Conservation sent a cease and desist letter days before owner Anthony Gach was planning to open.



    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0upmvZErr

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...ermit_woe.html

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    I think you have the right attraction. It was extremely underwhelming.

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    From the past ...

    Moving the Brighton Beach Hotel away from the Coney Island shore, 1893:

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    Printed on border: "Showing the bodily removal of the Brighton Beach Hotel, Coney Island, New York, by the aid of six locomotives. The hotel is 170 yards long by 15 yards deep, and was moved about 175 yards inland form the sea, which had begun to sap the foundations."

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    From a gigantic railroad archive:

    Moving the Brighton Beach hotel

    If you go to the NYC map page, and click on the 1924 view, you can make out ghosts of the Brooklyn Flatbush & Coney Island RR tracks that terminated at the hotel.

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    Is nothing sacred?


    Coney Island folk rage over plan to put concrete in place of historic boardwalk


    BY Erin Durkin


    Stroller walks from traditional wood to prototype concrete on Boardwalk.

    That's no boardwalk. That's a sidewalk.

    The iconic 42-block Riegelmann Boardwalk at Coney Island may be headed for a makeover as a concrete-slabbed walkway, city officials said.

    Outraged residents hissed and shouted at Parks Department officials who presented a $7.4 million project to rebuild a five-block chunk of the fabled stretch with concrete.
    City officials indicated at a local meeting they were thinking about redoing most of the rest of the stretch the same way.

    "It is a boardwalk! It is not a sidewalk!" shouted Brighton Beach resident Ida Sanoff at the Community Board 13 meeting Wednesday night. "It looks like crap. ... You're looking for the cheap way out and the easy way out. Not acceptable!"

    City officials hope to eventually rehab the whole beatup walkway and are leaning toward using concrete everywhere except the Coney Island amusement area, which already got a wood makeover.

    "Certainly if we use it and it's successful, as we expect it would be, we would be proposing it for future projects," Brooklyn Parks Commissioner Kevin Jeffrey told the Daily News after the meeting.

    Locals, fiercely protective of the Boardwalk, weren't having it.

    "This is a historic, hundred-year-old, world-famous Boardwalk ... and we're going to turn it into a sidewalk which is harmful to people's feet, their joints, their bones?" railed Ruby Schultz, 76, who walks the Boardwalk every day. "This is an absolute disgrace."

    For the past year, the city has been testing the concrete slabs against real wood and plastic lumber to see which holds up better by laying the three materials down on different parts of the Boardwalk.

    The uproar at the meeting started when a Parks Department official announced the tan-colored textured concrete has won out.

    "One, it's certainly more economical. Two, it does not break or rot. Three, it is not slippery. Four, it is easy to repair," Jeffrey said.

    The concrete costs $90 a square foot, compared to $114 for plastic lumber and $138 for wood. The project, which would stretch from Brighton 15th St. to Coney Island Ave., would kick off late next year and take at least a year.

    Some sided with the city.

    "It looks good," said Mark Yanklevich, 73. "People are used to seeing boards on a boardwalk, but from a practical point of view I think this makes sense."

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    ^ Gaw, what a crummy idea.

    Can't believe Coney Island is still falling victim to "urban renewal" ideas (concrete! slum clearance!) decades after they've been discredited everywhere else.

    We so need to preserve the historic amusement architecture that's left. And if the city wants to make some changes, the best idea I've heard was suggested by MidtownGuy right here -- paint the bricky projects in beach colors.

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    Great, so we can be assured that Coney Island will have one more building standing this summer that isn't a grisly 1960s housing project monolith. That brings the grand total to ... one.

    This effectively defines "too little, too late." Really a shame what is happening in real time to Coney Island, which is (?) / was (?) a true experience to visit even a year or two back.

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    Landmarks Preservation Commission
    January 11, 2011, Designation List 437
    LP- 2410


    CHILDS RESTAURANT BUILDING,
    1208 Surf Avenue (aka 1202-1212 Surf Avenue, 3002-

    3014 West 12th Street), Brooklyn.


    Built 1917; John C. Westervelt, architect.
    Landmark Site: Borough of Brooklyn Tax Map Block 8694 Lot 18.



    On March 23, 2010 the Landmarks Preservation Commission held a public hearing on the proposed designation as a Landmark of the Childs Restaurant Building, and the proposed designation of the related Landmark Site (Item No.5).The hearing had been duly advertised in accordance with the provisions of law. There were 10 speakers in favor of designation, including representatives of Councilmember Dominic Recchia, Coney Island USA, Save Coney Island, Coney Island History Project, the Municipal Art Society, the Landmarks Conservancy, the Historic Districts Council, and the architect for the building. There were no speakers opposed to designation. The Commission has received more than 60 letters and emails in support of designation.







    Summary


    The Childs Restaurant Building on Surf Avenue in Coney Island was the first restaurant built for this well-known chain in Coney Island, at a time when the area was changing from its somewhat seedy aura of summer amusements to a wholesome, family resort that could be enjoyed year-round. The Childs Restaurant chain, begun in 1889, developed as small luncheonettes that catered to working people, where one could find decent meals for a reasonable price in a clean
    environment. As such, it was the perfect type of establishment for the “new Coney Island.” This building was constructed in 1917 in West Brighton near the terminus of the Prospect Park and Coney Island Railway line and close by many of the most famous amusements of the area. Childs Restaurant filled the need for a respectable but not expensive restaurant for the many working-class New Yorkers who flocked to the beach for a relaxing day in the sun. As the area prospered, a second and larger Childs was built at 21 st Street facing the new Boardwalk. This first restaurant continued to operate in this location until 1943 when the property was leased to the Blue Bird Casino and restaurant. During the following years the building continued to house restaurants, clubs and other activities related to Coney Island’s amusements. It was the site of David Rosen’s Wonderland Circus Sideshow and, since 2007, has been the location of Coney Island U.S.A. and the Coney Island Museum, which documents the history of this famous New York City neighborhood. Originally designed by John C. Westervelt who worked for the Childs chain for many years, the building displays elements of the Spanish Revival style, seen in its overhanging red tile roof, round-arched openings and white facade. Its wide arches facing two streets served as grand welcoming gestures to crowds passing by, while the style suggests a warm Mediterranean resort and hint at the fun to be had in Coney Island. This building is a rare survivor from a many years of Coney Island history, beginning when an assortment of amusements and the sea air attracted thousands of pleasure-seekers escaping from the nearby hot city through the present day.




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    Seniors on the 'rise'




    By RICH CALDER
    Posted: 1:43 AM, June 8, 2011

    Forget the Cyclone, bingo night could be the next big attraction in Coney Island.
    High-rise housing is coming to the western end of the fabled boardwalk after five decades of failed attempts -- and seniors could be the primary recipients of the 415 market-rate rentals planned by Gristedes supermarket magnate John Catsimatidisí firm Red Apple Real Estate.

    During a public hearing Monday on the "Ocean Dreams" seaside plan between W. 34th and W. 36th streets, Borough President Marty Markowitz said he believes it should be marketed towards people 55 and over to be "most successful."

    Markowitz even called for reserving at least one of the projects three towers, which range from 14 to 22 stories high, for seniors only.

    "People who are 55, 60 years old donít want to live in a building with screaming kids," said the 66-year-old Markowitz.

    Lawyer Jay Segal, who is overseeing Red Appleís application for a needed city permit, said the developer plans to market hard towards attracting individuals 55 and over, adding he believes itís a "strong market."

    He said the developer would seriously consider Markowitzís proposal and another by the Beep to include an A-list seafood restaurant in the projectís 24,790 square feet of ground-floor retail.

    The Riegelmann Boardwalk lacks quality eateries; Markowitz said the closest is Tatianaís, a Russian supper club two miles away in Brighton Beach.

    Segal said the project isnít expected to break ground until 2013 and open until 2014. He said itís too soon to predict rental rates.

    The 428,000-square-foot project, which also includes 418 parking spaces and a supermarket, recently received local support from Community Board 13.

    The city, through a 2009 area rezoning, opted to keep condos out of the amusement district, instead designating them to underused tracts to the west. The Red Apple site, a former bus lot, has been targeted for housing since at least 2005.

    Developers had tried, but failed, for decades to get city blessing to build high-rise units along the boardwalk. This includes real estate tycoon Fred Trumpís bid in the 1960s to build Miami Beach-style high-rises at the former Steeplechase Park site, and most recently, developer Joe Sittís failed bid to build seaside condos in the amusement area.

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    How many world cities have a beachfront area in their city limits? Not many! It is an extremely nice perk to have!

    I've always been befuddled in regard to the misuse of this amazing piece of land. What wasted potential. If only it had decent transportation (i.e, commuter rail (fast)), the place would be a highly desirable location and I'm sure it would be upscale rather than disgusting and run-down. If you could get into manhattan on the train in 20 mins, you'd see this place be the second central park west. Almost like NY's Bondi Beach. However, NY rail is pretty much a joke. NY needs another layer of intra city rail in addition to the subway and commuter rail, i.e, RER. The subway is too slow for long distances and traffic in NYC is disgusting and unacceptable.

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    It's the weather, not transportation.

    Coney Island in summer.



    Coney Island in winter.

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    Weather is harsh in winter, but that wouldn't stop me from living there if it was developed properly. The ocean is the ocean. Living there for the other 3 seasons would make up for it. I can imagine many people would like it if there were a mix of indoor and outdoor areas for shopping, entertainment, etc. I can imagine a mix of indoor malls and an outdoor town center. Anyway, the commute is too long.

    There are many upscale seaside areas in cold climates around the world. I.e, Dublin Ireland which has howling gales in winter along its upscale shores. Most of the high class areas in that city are on the sea.

    If Toronto & Chicago have people living on the lake in upscale condos with all that icy frozen wind, I don't see how a milder NYC couldn't handle it! In Chicago the wind off the lake can be bone chilling. Their 'gold coast' is basically lake front not inland somewhere.
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    If you think it's transportation, then explain Manhattan Beach to the east. Only subway line is the Q. Unless you live on the western edge, it's over one and a half miles to either the Brighton Beach or Sheepshead Bay stations.

    Developed enough?

    Is the commute too long?

    If Toronto & Chicago have people living on the lake in upscale condos with all that icy frozen wind, I don't see how a milder NYC couldn't handle it! In Chicago the wind off the lake can be bone chilling. Their 'gold coast' is basically lake front not inland somewhere.
    What does this edited-in bit of information have to do with what you said about TRANSPORTATION being the problem in Coney Island?
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    I think futurecity has some good points. They could do so much more with Coney Island and weather should not be an excuse.

    There are ways to make it year-round.

    New York is underachieving with the assets it does have but then again...we all know that, so that's hardly anything new.

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