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  1. #16
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    Default Another Richard Meier Condo in the Village?

    True, but another look alike like those is better than what's there now, IMHO.

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    Default Another Richard Meier Condo in the Village?

    Meier is *original, blasphemy. Anyone who has ever been to the Getty realizes to full extent his capabilities, nothing ever repeated, all tied in. Judging from past Meier projects the last piece is somewhat conical.

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    Default Another Richard Meier Condo in the Village?

    I'm not sure what you tried to say but what I meant is that Meier repeats himself from project to project.

    Not trying to be fussy, but I like the contrast between the brick and the glass and metal. This contrast between old and new is one of the reasons why NY is so fascinating. I have no regret in this case. What I do regret is the attempt to make new buildings look old. They only look fake and impoverish the urban landscape.
    Last edited by Kris; May 9th, 2006 at 02:49 PM.

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    Demolition of the Pathfinder building has begun.

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    By Lincoln Anderson
    If it works once, why not try again?

    Three weeks ago, demolition began on the four-story, red-brick Pathfinder building at Charles and West Sts., just south of the new Richard Meier-designed, twin luxury residential towers flanking Perry St. The new building is also being designed by Meier and will likely be the same height and similar design as the existing buildings.

    The development group is led by Stuart Marton and Izak Senbahar. Applications for a 16-story, 180-ft.-tall building with 31 apartments and 100,000 total sq. ft. were submitted to the Department of Buildings in May but were disapproved, though such applications are frequently disapproved on technicalities and resubmitted, said Sid Dinsay, a D.O.B. spokesperson.

    The fast-disappearing Charles St. building was once home to Pathfinder, a socialist publishing company, and at another point, to a succession of gay bars. Glenn Bristow, a former Community Board 2 member, recalled a mural of revolutionary leaders on the building’s south side, which, she said, was blocked from view by a yellow wall put up a few years ago because a neighbor didn’t want to see it.

    Lisetta Koe, a spokesperson for Richard Meier & Partners, said the project is still being designed and that it’s “really, really early” in the process, but it’s likely the building will be similar to the two already standing.

    “Knowing the way that Richard works, he likes to keep things in context. The top line will probably be the same” height as the existing buildings, she said.

    Meier’s Perry St. condominium towers, developed by Richard Born, were completed in June, but the apartments’ interiors are being finished, in most cases by the residents themselves, meaning it could be another year before most move in. Only about two apartments in each tower are occupied. Condo owners include Martha Stewart — according to Koe, despite rumors, Stewart didn’t flip her apartment — Calvin Klein, Nicole Kidman and Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems and Java software developer.

    Koe noted that having a new “private park” on the Hudson River is a big plus for the tenants.

    “I don’t know if the tenants will use it, but it’s nice for them to be able to look at a nice landscaped park,” she said.

    Plans for a restaurant by Jean-Georges Vongerichten in one of the towers are on hold, because “he’s been pretty busy,” Koe noted.

    The new residential development is as-of-right, meaning no variance was necessary. A variance was needed further south at Morton St., where a 14-story, square-block, luxury project is rising in a manufacturing-zoned area. The community had fought this project and filed an Article 78 lawsuit against the city’s Board of Standards and Appeals for granting the variance, but the lawsuit was denied.

    The Charles St. project is in an area unprotected by landmarking, west of the existing Greenwich Village Historic District and south of the newly designated Gansevoort Market Historic District.

    In between the new Meier site and his two existing towers is Charles Lane, a historic, cobblestone street, though the cobblestones are rapidly becoming the street’s only historic element.

    “It’s not landmarked,” Albert Bennett, of the Greenwich Village Community Task Force, said of the new site. “That means Charles Lane [will have] 16 stories on the south and 16 stories on the north.”

    The Greenwich Village Community Task Force has pushed for the landmarking of the area along the waterfront, which it calls the “Maritime Mile.” But so far the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission has not bitten.

    Sherida Paulsen, the immediate past Landmarks chairperson, had been interested in certain areas outside the Village Historic District, including the area around Weehawken St. and part of the Printing District in Hudson Sq.

    Hoping to block further development, residents and Councilmember Chris Quinn recently fought off an attempt by the city to rezone a section of the northern part of Hudson Sq., between Barrow and Leroy Sts. and Hudson and West Sts., to allow residential development.

    When Paulsen was Landmarks chairperson, Aubrey Lees, then-chairperson of Community Board 2, convened a Board 2 task force on landmarking that met with Paulsen regularly, which helped bring about designation of the Gansevoort District and the extension of the Noho Historic District. C.B. 2 and preservationists are eager to establish a similar relationship with new Landmarks Chairperson Robert Tierney.

    Jim Smith, C.B. chairperson, said he wrote Tierney shortly after Smith became chairperson in June, but hasn’t gotten a response. Similarly, Lees, who Smith has designated to continue the board’s landmarks task force, said she tried to call Tierney when she was still board chairperson, but he was always unavailable.

    “Why he doesn’t want to continue the task force, which I felt was incredibly successful, I just don’t know,” Lees said. “There are many areas [in the city] that need to be designated, but the West Village should be high up on the list. If the Landmarks Preservation Commission isn’t interested, I think it’s really bad.”

    Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, said the society, even while focusing attention on the Meat Market designation, has tried to advocate for other at-risk parts of the Village and will continue to do so. The society recently did a report on the importance of preserving neighborhoods on the edges of historic districts and how zoning can help, he noted.

    Similarly, Katy Bordonaro, co-chairperson of the G.V. Community Task Force, said a wall of buildings on the waterfront would jeopardize the existing Greenwich Village Historic District.

    “I think everybody in the Village is pretty solid with the idea of not walling off the Village,” she said. “We don’t want to create a wall along the river or along the edge of the existing historic district.”

    Last Friday, Kaier Curtain, 65, was pointing out the new Meier tower to his cousin, Suzanne Bostick, 41, from Connecticut, as they were standing on the traffic median on West St. as cars whooshed by noisily. Things had changed a lot along the waterfront since Curtain, an authority on gay theater, lived in the Village in the 1960s. He recalled when the Village waterfront “was rough gay bars. It was like leather bars and motorcycles, very tough dykes.” And there was the cruising seen on the dilapidated piers.

    But now he looked across to the park, which they had just toured, where a waterfall gurgled tranquilly at Christopher St. in the late afternoon’s golden sunlight.

    “In the next five years, this’ll all be expensive apartments,” he predicted. “It’s amazing how fast this has gone up,” he said of the park.

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    Demolition of the four-story, red-brick Pathfinder building at Charles and West Sts., just south of the new Richard Meier-designed, twin luxury residential towers flanking Perry St., is almost complete. The new building is also being designed by Meier and will likely be the same height and similar design as the existing buildings. 7 November 2003.

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    Given the nearly identical specifications and Meier's "consistency", I expect few surprises.
    Last edited by Kris; May 9th, 2006 at 02:50 PM.

  8. #23


    March 11, 2004


    The Art of Selling Luxury Condos as Art


    HERE COMES ANOTHER ONE A new Richard Meier tower, at right in this rendering, is rising on the far West Side.

    IZAK SENBAHAR, a developer of luxury condominiums in Manhattan, was commenting this week that neighbors should not complain about a glass tower overlooking the Hudson River that he is planning. It is being designed by Richard Meier for a site just south of the two Perry Street buildings the architect also created.

    "Simply by the fact that a new building by Richard Meier is being sold there, values will go up," Mr. Senbahar said. "Do you want to have a printer next to you or another high-class pure Richard Meier building next door?"

    Before he could continue, he was interrupted by Louise Sunshine, one of New York City's most aggressive promoters of high-end real estate. "No, don't say 'high class,' " she said. "Say 'work of art.' "

    In the latest marketing ploy for high-priced condos, Ms. Sunshine is trying to give real estate the cachet of fine paintings or sculpture. She plans to market the 31 apartments in the new Meier building, which broke ground in December, as "limited edition" residences. To underscore the point, Mr. Meier has commissioned clear acrylic models of the apartments — which he will sign and number to give buyers as a closing gift.

    It's an all-out effort to associate the prosaic arena of real estate with the flashier art world. Ms. Sunshine is doing everything but selling Andy Warhol-style images of Mr. Meier on the Internet: a gallery opening, a brochure designed by Massimo Vignelli and, for preferred customers, tours of a warehouse where Mr. Meier keeps models and sculpture.

    Mr. Meier called the marketing approach "flattering" and indicated he thought it appropriate. "There are not that many apartments like it," he said, in a conference room at his offices on 10th Avenue.

    Tomorrow, Mr. Senbahar and Ms. Sunshine will inaugurate their campaign with a party for those attending the Armory Show, one of the world's largest art fairs, which opens tomorrow in Manhattan. The crowd, which is promised to include only 20 real estate brokers out of the 350 people invited, can sip cocktails in the Charles Street Gallery — essentially a glorified real estate sales office, which contractors were scrambling to finish just days ago. On display will be renderings of the new Meier building and seven of the acrylic models.

    In addition, Mr. Meier, who has previously designed only 18 single-family houses, has agreed to display models of some of those rarities at the new "gallery," along with selections from his sculpture collection.

    The marketing pitch is part of Ms. Sunshine's broader attempt to link real estate and art in the minds of wealthy buyers. As part of a campaign to which she has given the slogan "Great Homes and Great Art Live Together," she has enlisted gallery owners willing to lend artworks to display in unsold apartments or in advertisements.

    In the case of Mr. Meier, Ms. Sunshine said she is showcasing the new building amid examples of his past work to attract "Richard Meier devotees." She said she believed such buyers would pay a premium to live in an apartment designed by the architect of the Getty Center in Los Angeles and the Museum of Contemporary Art in Barcelona.

    Mr. Senbahar, who with a partner, Simon Elias, is spending $100 million on the tower, plans to ask at least $2,500 a square foot, more than double the $1,268 average per-square-foot price for luxury real estate in Manhattan in the fourth quarter of last year, according to Miller Samuel Inc., a New York-based appraisal firm.

    With its glass facade, the new building, which is scheduled to be finished in March next year, will share an aesthetic with the two Meier towers on Perry Street. But where apartments in them were sold as raw space for buyers to customize, the new building has interiors and fixtures designed or selected by Mr. Meier.

    The bathrooms, for example, will have sinks and countertops of Surell, a synthetic material that can easily be molded, unlike the traditional marble or limestone chosen by architects in luxury buildings. "It is like lacquer, but smoother," Mr. Meier said, stroking the surface of a black lacquer conference table he designed. "It is not quite as cold as stone."

    He has also designed common amenities for the building, including a 50-foot pool, a fitness room, a wine cellar and a screening room with the same chairs he designed for the Getty Center.

    Mr. Meier is not, however, customizing each apartment. And because the building bears more than a slight resemblance to its two neighbors to the north, some local critics question how unique the new units are. "It seems a little ironic that these are being sold as limited edition Meier originals when it is now the third of the same tower, more or less," said Andrew Berman, the executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, which believes that the Meier towers do not fit in with older buildings in the neighborhood.

    For some in the art world, the marketing pitch seems disingenuous. "This is really stretching it quite a ways," said Richard Gray, an owner of the Richard Gray Gallery in Chicago and New York and the former president of the Art Dealers Association of America. "It's advertising license. I don't think it has the attributes that allow it to be seriously considered as a rare work of art."

    But others saw it as a clever way to package Mr. Meier's work as a brand that some luxury home buyers will covet. "It's not just about buying the building but the entire aesthetic and atmosphere," said Toshiko Mori, the chairwoman of the Harvard Design School.

    Other developers have selected star architects to design their condominiums. At Beacon Court, a tower being built on top of the new Bloomberg headquarters, the developer, Vornado Realty, has retained Cesar Pelli; RFR Davis, which has developed condos at 425 Fifth Avenue and the Impala on East 76th Street, hired Michael Graves.

    With prices in Manhattan skyrocketing, buyers expect more glamour in their homes. "Little by little, the bar keeps being raised," said Adrienne Albert, president of Marketing Directors, which helps developers sell high-priced real estate. "In order for people to understand if that's the right building for them to live in, they expect it to be more and more interesting and exciting."

    For Ms. Sunshine, who learned her trade as an apprentice to Donald Trump, the pitch for the new Meier building fits with her idea that real estate and art make natural partners. In a coming ad for a penthouse at the Time Warner Center, for example, she will use digital images of a Willem de Kooning painting, a Matisse sculpture and a 19th-century African sculpture, all borrowed from C&M Arts, a Manhattan gallery.

    Robert Mnuchin, the owner of C&M, said it was like "creating a mini-exhibition." Ms. Sunshine said she hoped to install art in other apartments she is trying to sell, including perhaps Mr. Meier's.

    For now, she said, he is the only architect getting the full star treatment. Although she represents Mr. Pelli's Beacon Court, for example, there are no plans to sell limited-edition Pelli apartments or to open an ersatz art gallery in his honor.

    Mr. Senbahar, the developer of the new Meier building, said most buildings do not qualify as art. "You can't give it a couple of bricks and two windows and call it art," he said.

    A selling point is that Mr. Meier has designed the kitchens, at back, right, and the pool, far right.

    The architect, Richard Meier.

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    A Meier knockoff of his own innovation, this development throws off the balance and the purpose of making them twins in the first place. There is no interplay between the three, it is like any other condo midrise development in any beach resort town anywhere’s else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stern
    A Meier knockoff of his own innovation, this development throws off the balance and the purpose of making them twins in the first place. There is no interplay between the three, it is like any other condo midrise development in any beach resort town anywhere’s else.
    Exactly! Well put, my friend.

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    Richard Meier Designing Another Luxury Tower on New York's Hudson River

    April 27, 2004

    Images Courtesy Richard Meier & Partners

    Fresh off the completion of his luxury condominiums on Perry Street along the Hudson River, Richard Meier is planning a similar luxury hi-rise on New York’s western waterfront.

    The new 16-floor, 31 unit condo tower, at 165 Charles Street, will very closely resemble the architects’ designs at 173-176 Perry, just down the block. Both will be tall, minimalist luxury buildings made primarily of glazed glass and steel. Unlike those in the other project, Meier will also be designing the 11 to 22 foot tall interiors for these buildings. This means elements like leather seats similar to those Meier designed for the Getty Center in Los Angeles. The tower’s ground floor will also feature over 1500 square-feet of commercial space.

    "Charles Street gives us the opportunity to further develop and evolve the design of my first two towers," says Meier. "It’s like music. One note is nice, but as you add notes you can create something different." Completion is scheduled for Spring, 2005.

    Sam Lubell


    June 6, 2004

    After Next-Door Angst, Sales Begin at New Meier Tower


    THE celebrity occupation of the green-glass condos designed by Richard Meier at West and Perry Streets has proceeded with a pleasing and well-documented Sturm und Drang.

    Now that a third, nearly identical but larger building is rising just to the south, designed by Mr. Meier and paid for by a rival developer, you might say that in the world of star-powered architecture, if it's worth overdoing, it's worth doing over.

    The new tower at 165 Charles Street will be slightly taller and wider than its two neighbors, and the apartments will cost about 25 percent more, ranging from $1.15 million for a 682-square-foot studio to $18.5 million for the duplex penthouse, all 4,551 square feet of it.

    The difference is that the new tower will have interiors designed by Mr. Meier, down to their polished wenge wood floors, while the Perry Street condos were delivered to buyers like Calvin Klein, Nicole Kidman and Martha Stewart as raw space.

    In the five weeks since state approval of the new project's offering plan, the Sunshine Group, exclusive marketing agent for the 16-story tower, has sold 9 of the 31 apartments.

    That includes the studio and several two- and three-bedroom units.

    The developers, Izak Senbahar, 45, and Simon Elias, 47, refused to name the buyers.

    When the new tenants move in next May, they will have access to amenities not available to their next-door neighbors, such as a pool and wine storage units whose 5.65 square feet can be had for $30,000.

    For some time, the low, steady rumble of celebrity umbrage-taking has emanated from the Perry Street towers, where the famous are famously unhappy and the prospect of the view-gobbling parvenu soon to be looming to the south is just another irritant added to a laundry list of plumbing glitches and neighborly rows.

    Mr. Senbahar told how, last Christmas on the beach in St. Bart's, he ran into the restaurateur Phil Suarez, who owns the Perry Street apartment below Ms. Kidman. "He said, `You're blocking my view,' " Mr. Senbahar recalled. Mr. Senbahar shrugged. "It's New York. If you want somebody not to block your views, you've got to buy the whole town."


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    The apartments in 165 Charles Street range from $1.15 million for a 682-square-foot studio to $18.5 million for the duplex penthouse, all 4,551 square feet of it. 12 June 2004.

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    165 Charles Street is rising next to Perry West towers. 26 June 2004.

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    Viewed from Pier 45 Aug. 8, 2004


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    I like the towers. Diffrent.

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