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Thread: The Epic - 125 West 31st Street - Rental - by FX Fowle / SLCE

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    I walked "around " this building site today -- looking at it from both 31st & 32nd Streets -- and a few things jumped out at me ...

    1. The inter-relation between the lower portion on 31st and the church next door is not well done. First, it rises awkwardly higher than the church and while it steps-back just above the highest point of that side of the church it still creates a blank wall that the church will now butt up against. Second, it seems that they have positioned this low block in this way to make room for the loading dock (which is placed against that sheer wall to the east). This visually squashes the church and visually maximizes the sheer wall. (Most likely this had to do with ramps, etc. but it doesn't look good.) Third, on 31st the street edge of the new building juts out beyond the edge of the church by a number of inches. (Why not recess it back a few inches? This is what they have done on the 32nd street side -- although there it is awkward, as both the buildings to the east and the west now have itsy-bitsy exposed raw brick running up the side with this new building in between.) Just an overall lack of sensitivity to what now exists.

    2. OK -- Notice the triangular bump outs on the upper floors of the north facade in the photo above? These just seem silly. What has been created is about a small 60-degree angled space barely big enough for a person to stand. The whole point seems to be to direct the eye towards the view of the Empire State Building to the NE, but one would have to scrunch way into the corner to get the best view. Why didn't they shape these bumpouts so that furthest point is 90-degree angle (then both windows would angle in to the building -- rather than have the eastern window cut sharply back to the main tower). Again -- odd design.

    3. They have installed granite-like quoin-ish things at the corners of the base -- kind of corny.

    4. I can only assume that the floor plates will have some sort of panel installed to cover them. If not --- oy!!!!!!

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    Compared to the rendering, this is turning out pretty darn bad, and too bad - they (renderings) made it look kinda nice. That glass looks oh-so-mediocre...hopefully it's just the overcast sky. (see page 2, post 19 for the rederings)

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    Unlike on the rendering where the brick appears to be off-white the actual brick is much more yellow.

    Below is an enlargement of the rendering showing the awkward relationship between the church and the base on @. 31st ...
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    I hate white/yellow brick.

    2 Gold St is horrible, for instance, but it would be slightly less horrible in red brick.

    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Unlike on the rendering where the brick appears to be off-white the actual brick is much more yellow.

    Below is an enlargement of the rendering showing the awkward relationship between the church and the base on @. 31st ...

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    I am sure this one can been seen from NJ already.

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    Walking up Sixth Ave from 23rd Street it is a rather striking thing. Looks tremendous, obviously because of the low rise buildings around it.

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    Today May 31, 2006

    Jack and the beanstalk !!!







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    its rising really fast, but i have to say that im rather dissapointed by the facade.... this building could be really great... the facade lets it down

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    yet another dog - Doesnt it seem that New York promotes the worst in mediocre design?

    Is it like that in other cities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peakrate212
    Is it like that in other cities?
    'Fraid so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hella good
    its rising really fast, but i have to say that im rather dissapointed by the facade.... this building could be really great... the facade lets it down
    Yes...too too too busy (should of been more like The Orion, now that's a curtain wall!)...and what's with that blank party wall? UGH! at least they had the courtesy of connecting the street level on both sides. Still, this is totally the wrong direction for this part of town. Better than a cheap setback motel. Any shots from the other side other street, I seem to recall the building looking better from the other side...?

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    It looks basically the same on the other side -- just that its almost always in shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurokevin
    Yes...too too too busy (should of been more like The Orion, now that's a curtain wall!)...and what's with that blank party wall? UGH! at least they had the courtesy of connecting the street level on both sides. Still, this is totally the wrong direction for this part of town. Better than a cheap setback motel. Any shots from the other side other street, I seem to recall the building looking better from the other side...?
    this is the other side!!!!! 31th street !!!


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    It looks huge when you are within a block or two of it, but from Hudson River Park it does not register on the skyline.

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    From the Hudson River Park @ 30th St (where today they were planting the trees in the new section above Chelsea Piers that is near completion) you can see this poking out in front of the ESB.

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