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    This is a new project currently taking place in 116st-118st and Pleasant Ave. The old Washburn Factory is now under demolishment.


    Washburn Factory


    Rendering of the East River Plaza


    Interior of the East River Plaza

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    <a href="http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=201" target="_self">Moved here</a>

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    I guess it's ok, is it already in progress, or just still in "planning?"

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    It's in progress. A large portion of the factory has been demolished.

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    It's about time they tore down that corroded wreck. *They tacked signs advertising the demolition company onto the walls about five years ago. *Last time I drove by there, they had rusted over completely.

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    NIMBY was trying to interfer but looks like they were defeated.

    An old article from east-harlem.com:
    A group of East Harlem residents has united to prevent the construction of the East River Plaza Shopping Mall. This mall will be located at 116th-119th Streets between the FDR drive and Pleasant Avenue. *The group has united under the name B.A.R.A., East Harlem Business and Residents Alliance, Inc. *Some of the members of this group include Gloria Quiniones, William Gerena, John Kozler and others.

    B.A.R.A. opposes the mall on many grounds. *B.A.R.A. does not like the location of the Mall. *They argue that it is too close to schools and areas where children play. *In other words, children can get hurt due to the high traffic the mall will bring to the area. *They also site higher car emissions and worry about an increase in children's asthma as a result. The group is also concerned about noise from increased traffic and from freight trucks.

    Increased traffic and less parking could also be a problem. * B.A.R.A. also does not believe that promise of employment to area resident will come to pass. *It is illegal to promise a set number of jobs to a community. * Equal employment laws prohibit it. *So East Harlem residents are not guaranteed the promised jobs. *The possible loss of affected local merchants could change the character of the community. *

    What B.A.R.A. does propose is that the site be used for small business development and as a waterfront promenade. *B.A.R.A. will hold its own public hearing on this issue on January 28th, 1999. at Holy Rosary Parish Hall, which is located at 444 East 119th Street. *The meeting will begin at 7:00 P.M.

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    Too close to kids? *Too much traffic? *Are we on planet earth? *It's on the FDR for God's sake. *There's sometimes traffic there, but I guess the kids don't venture to that part of the world.

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    This newsletter shows clearly how low these NIMBY's will go to keep old buildings dilapidated and graffiti-filled. It's really baffling how and why these NIMBY's attempt to keep rotting buildings, tenements turned into crack dens, and vacant garbge-strewn lots intact as long as possible. I'm also betting that they wouldn't even want the factory to become active again as a job-making site because of "noise pollution".

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    NIMBY's think one dimesionally. They never look at the good things that come out of things like these. As a resident of East Harlem I must say that there is a high need for a place like this.

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    What a NIMBY believes:


    1. All change is for the worse.
    Developers propose change.
    Clearly therefore, a developer's mission is to harm the world.

    This is done through environmental degradation, which is an integral part of every development project.

    Therefore, THE BEST PROJECT IS NO PROJECT.


    2. More people, anywhere, anytime, are a bad thing:
    more people on Earth, more people in the City, more people in the Neighborhood.

    How do you reduce the number of people?
    Don't know about the Earth or the City, but in my nice Neighborhood, we just keep them out.

    If you don't build it, they won't come.

    Therefore, THE BEST DEVELOPMENT IS NO DEVELOPMENT.


    3. All developers are unscrupulous and greedy.
    That they propose to build anything at all is prima facie evidence of unscrupulousnes.
    That they seek to earn a profit doing so is evidence of their greed.

    Building is immoral and profit is dirty.
    The fact that politicians often approve projects shows that they are crooked and in bed with developers.

    THE ONLY REALLY MORAL THING TO BUILD IS NOTHING.


    4. A building project's depravity is directly proportional to its size in general and its height in particular.
    A shorter building is always a better building.
    The best building is the shortest building.

    THE SHORTEST AND BEST BUILDING IS NO BUILDING.


    5. Environmentally, the world has been going to hell in a handbasket, perhaps since Adam.
    He was the last person to live in a really decent environment.
    Therefore, vegetation is always preferable to the works of man. A park is always better than a building.

    The City, after all, is merely a failed suburb.
    But if you drive wedges of vegetation into the city, it will eventually evolve into Suburbia.

    THE BEST CITY IS NO CITY.


    6. All good things have already been built.
    This is a wicked world, and sometimes we cannot altogether prevent all new building.
    In such cases, however, we can insist that what is built should copy its surroundings, only smaller.

    If we must suffer new buildings, let them at least look like the ones we already have.

    THE ONLY TOLERABLE NEW BUILDING IS ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD BUILDING.

    Like the one I live in.

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    Discerning summary.

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    So caustic, yet so true.

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    Would've been nice if they developed that run-down pier, but it seems like it's going to be trashed. *Anyone know different?

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    June 17, 2004

    New Match for Developer of Harlem Project

    By TERRY PRISTIN

    Nearly five years after city officials approved a plan to replace the abandoned Washburn Wire factory in East Harlem with a big-box shopping center, the project, East River Plaza, may be gaining momentum.

    Last month, the original developer, the Blumenfeld Development Corporation of Syosset, N.Y., acquired a new partner, Forest City Ratner Companies, which has extensive experience in building projects in low-income neighborhoods in New York.

    Forest City acquired its interest from Canyon Capital Realty Advisors, a real estate investment firm in Beverly Hills, Calif.

    David Blumenfeld, a vice president of his family's company, said Forest City's experience in low-income neighborhoods would be more helpful to the $215 million project than the California firm's.

    Forest City also developed the Harlem Center, a retail and office building on 125th Street, near Malcolm X Boulevard, and the Metrotech office complex in downtown Brooklyn. It is also a partner of The New York Times Company in developing the new Times headquarters on Eighth Avenue in Manhattan.

    Richard Pesin, the Forest City executive vice president for retail development, would not say how much the company would invest in the East River shopping center. But Jeffrey H. Brotman, the chairman of Costco Wholesale Club, who has been talking to Forest City about opening a warehouse store at East River Plaza, said, "They are providing significant financial muscle now to take the project forward.''

    That muscle would be welcome, said Charles A. Gargano, the chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation. He said much of the delay occurred because the original partnership had sought substantial public subsidies for the project without being willing to commit sufficient funds of its own.

    Forest City, Mr. Gargano said, understands that the state requires a substantial capital investment from the developers.

    East River Plaza, which is to stretch from 116th Street to 119th Street along Franklin D. Roosevelt Drive, was approved by the City Council in 1999 but never got off the ground, in part because money was lacking to build a $45 million, 1,200-space parking structure. Initially, Mr. Blumenfeld said, prospective tenants refused to allow the developers to charge for parking but will now agree to fees of about $3 for two hours.

    As originally conceived, the 450,000-square-foot complex included a Costco Wholesale Club and a Home Depot, as well as its more upscale brand, Expo Design Center. The East River stores would have been the first in Manhattan for both retailers. Instead Home Depot's Manhattan debut will be later this year in two other locations, on 23rd Street between Fifth Avenue and the Avenue of the Americas, and in a new tower going up on 58th Street and Third Avenue.

    Retailers' plans for the complex have changed, Mr. Blumenfeld said. Home Depot, he said, is close to signing a lease for 120,000 square feet, but the space will not include an Expo Design Center. Home Depot declined to comment.

    And Costco, which still has no other Manhattan stores, had backed out of the project, Mr. Brotman said, but is reconsidering. I don't know if we can afford it," he said.

    Mr. Pesin said he was talking to all the other big-box retail chains. Both developers said they did not anticipate making any changes that would force the project to seek new city approvals. But Jeffrey T. Blau, the president of the Related Companies, which had tried to buy out Canyon Capital, said that retailers might demand alterations that would require further environmental review.

    Mr. Blumenfeld, who bought the foreclosed Washburn property 10 years ago, paying $3.1 million, has demolished most of the wire factory but has yet to acquire the last five parcels needed to complete the six-acre site. He said he expected the additional acquisition costs to total $2 million.

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    East River Plaza, which is to stretch from 116th Street to 119th Street along Franklin D. Roosevelt Drive, was approved by the City Council in 1999 but never got off the ground, in part because money was lacking to build a $45 million, 1,200-space parking structure. Initially, Mr. Blumenfeld said, prospective tenants refused to allow the developers to charge for parking but will now agree to fees of about $3 for two hours.
    :? I was wondering about this project I guess this is one of the reasons. It will be crazy to charge for parking but I guess they had ot do something and this sounds like it will work.

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