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    From this week's Bay News -

    According to the plans filed with the city, Vornado Realty, the
    managing agents of the mall, intend to expand the shopping center to
    include 240,670 square feet of new retail space with 770 parking
    spots at the south side of Avenue U and East 56th St, immediately
    adjacent to the existing building.

    The addition will include restaurants, movie theaters, parking
    facilities, and a new large chain home improvement center.

    Construction could begin before the year is out, with the possibility
    of new stores opening up in the fall of 2004.

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    I read this. I would be fine with it if it weren't for the home improvement store. First of all, it's not neededs. Second, it's going to no doubt take up too much space and be of the same subpar architecture as all Home Depots and Lowes.

    Also, the movie theater is ridiculous. There's a movie theater in Kings Plaza already. They don't need another one.

    I really don't know what this is all about. But it's not out of necessity.

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    They are going to take out the movie theater in Kings Plaza, and build a new modern one next door. Kings Plaza needs this expansion badly. Everyone goes to Long Island to shop. When I was a kid in the 70s and 80s everybody went to Kings Plaza.

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    Now the theater makes more sense.

    But it still doesn't explain the home improvement store.

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    Don't understand that one either since there is a Home Depot already right down the block on Avenue U. Strange, but from what I read this is going to be much more with a lot of new retail and restaurants. Someone called it Kings Plaza 2 thats how big the expansion could be.

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    By me, there's a Home Depot in Flushing and one, 1 mile away in College Point. *Same nonsense, I guess.

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    August 7, 2003 -- A Department of City Planning employee has quit and
    turned whistleblower - charging that the city helped a giant
    developer keep a Brooklyn community from having a say in plans for
    expanding a huge shopping mall.
    Laurel Brandstetter resigned in protest from her $49,863 position as
    a community coordinator in May.

    She charged, in an explosive letter to Community Board 18, that she
    was ordered to freeze out Mill Basin residents - who wanted to raise
    traffic, design and crime issues before the city approved a major
    addition to the Kings Plaza center.

    "I was instructed to participate in a process that would specifically
    avoid community involvement," wrote Brandstetter.

    Vornado Realty Trust, one of the city's biggest owners of commercial
    and retail space, owns the mall and wants to add a 12-screen movie
    theater, another parking garage and a large home-improvement store.

    State Sen. Carl Kruger, who fears the project could lead to major
    environmental problems, pointed the finger at City Hall - saying
    Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff is a "personal friend and cohort" of
    Vornado Chairman and CEO Steven Roth.

    Vornado is also the developer of the new skyscraper headquarters on
    Lexington Avenue and 59th Street for Mayor Bloomberg's media company,
    Bloomberg LP.

    Kruger said Brandstetter's letter "gave us our first heads-up in what
    has turned out to be one of the greatest assaults by the Bloomberg
    administration on the community.

    "Where's the Environmental Impact Statement, the traffic study and
    the public input?"

    City Planning officials responded that no EIS, traffic study or
    public hearing is needed as long as the expansion is permitted under
    zoning regulations. That's because the mall is an "as of right

    Mayoral spokeswoman Jennifer Falk added, "Any allegations of
    impropriety are preposterous."

    And the planning commission's executive director, Richard Barth,
    said, "The allegations about inappropriate behavior are unfortunate
    because they're just not true."

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    Yeah, there are definately a lot of new home depots opening up. I read on their website they open one every 42 hours. Amazing. Besides, I like home depot, they sell everything there.

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    There is one a few blocks away, being around there today.

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    This week's Brooklyn Skyline

    Mall Rat

    Aug. 11, 2003
    By Elisha Pappacoda

    A Brooklyn City Planning worker said she quit her job after being
    asked to hide plans to build a second mega-shopping center at Kings
    Plaza — and local officials are nothing short of enraged.

    In a letter sent to Community Board 18 in May, "whistle-blower"
    Laurel Brandstetter wrote that she "was instructed to participate in
    a process that would specifically avoid community involvement."

    Brandstetter, who briefly worked as community coordinator of Brooklyn
    for City Planning, said she witnessed city staffers helping
    developers design an "as of right" project that would leave local
    residents in the dark until it was too late.

    "I do understand community planning and it is blatantly obvious that
    it is absent from this particular process," wrote Brandstetter.

    The Department of City Planning released this statement on August 8
    in response to the allegations:

    "It is unfortunate that a disgruntled, former junior employee would
    make such baseless charges. These allegations are simply not true.
    Unfortunately, the individual levying these allegations against the
    Department has chosen to ignore the fact that the private project in
    question is as of right under zoning, meaning it has no requirement
    for public review. We always encourage, but cannot mandate, that
    developers of as of right projects inform the communities of their

    A 12-screen movie complex, Lowe's home improvement store, additional
    parking and possibly more retail spaces could soon shoot up on the
    property which was once Kings Plaza's outdoor parking lot. The
    theater at Kings Plaza on Flatbush Avenue would likely be closed and
    replaced with more retail spaces.

    "They've been so brazen and they so disregarded the community that
    the Department of City Planning has already told the Brooklyn
    Buildings Commissioner that they have signed off on the proposal and
    that she is directed to file a plan for demolition, a plan for
    excavation, and a building permit," state Senator Carl Kruger
    said. "This project is being fast-tracked without ever bringing it to
    the community board."

    The senator and Community Board 18 District Manager Dorothy Turano
    have been vocal opponents of the mall's business practices over the

    "Kings Plaza is an obnoxious intrusion," said Turano, but she
    admitted Vornado Realty, the developer of Kings Plaza and Kings Plaza
    2 (as Kruger calls it) is not required by law to run plans through
    the board.

    "They don't have to because they did it as of right but they've
    gotten certain privileges that they could have only gotten through
    the City Planning Commission," Turano said. "The City Planning
    Commission worked overboard to get rid of us — the community input."

    Possibly even more shocking than the notion of two huge malls
    standing next to each other is Kruger's accusation that Deputy Mayor
    Daniel Doctoroff has worked "in collusion" with Vornado Realty CEO
    Steve Roth in what Kruger labels an "unholy alliance."

    Kruger alleges Roth is a "personal friend and co-conspirator with
    Deputy Mayor Doctoroff."

    Vornado is developing the new skyscraper headquarters for Bloomberg
    LP on Lexington Avenue and is working with Doctoroff on plans for the

    "What is happening here at Kings Plaza? Why is Steve Roth and Vornado
    Realty working hand-in-hand with the Department of City Planning in
    such an unethical fashion that one of their own planners chose to
    resign rather than be part of this illicit scheme?" Kruger asked.

    Vornado's plan also includes valet parking on the upper levels of the
    mall to avoid the usual legal parking requirements, Turano said.

    Customers who park there may be forced to park thousands of feet away
    from the theater only to enter the mall, go downstairs, exit the mall
    and walk across East 55th Street to get to the theater.

    "There is no possibility that parking that is in adjacent building
    from this movie theater will in fact be used for this movie theater,"
    Kruger said.

    It is important to note, East 55th Street runs directly between Kings
    Plaza and the lot. In order for developers to gain control of the
    street they must go through the community board, where they will face
    tough opposition.

    "Now that they got all this, now they want to come to the community
    and we think we know why," Turano said. "Because now they would like
    to take the sidewalk away and make a well, like a driveway into their
    lot, so there won't be a backup of traffic," she said.

    "They won't get an inch — the community has to give them that, City
    Planning can't," she added.

    Lowe's could also buy the vacant property between the lot and the
    Avenue U shopping center which houses Walgreen's, Home Depot and
    other small stores.

    The mere presence of a massive Lowe's could prove to be fatal for the
    mini Home Depot — it could even cause the demise of the entire
    shopping center, Kruger said.

    Turano used Home Depot as an example of a community-minded business.

    "Home Depot met with us on several occasions and contributed $10,000
    to the local civic association just as an offering," she said "They
    didn't have to come to us either — it was as of right."

    Last week Kruger fired off a letter to Rose Gill Hearn, Commissioner
    of the Department of Investigation, imploring her to investigate the
    involvement of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Deputy Mayor Doctoroff,
    Department of City Planning Director Amanda Burden, Brooklyn Director
    Regina Myer and the entire senior City Planning staff. Kruger also
    forwarded the letter to the Brooklyn and Manhattan district attorneys.

    According to a New York Post article dated Aug. 7, the Mayor's office
    has denied the allegations.

    But Kruger isn't buying it.

    "It is absolutely impossible for the Bloomberg administration to say
    that there is no collusion between them and Vornado Realty," he
    said. "This is an invasion by corporate America in an underhanded,
    deceitful and potentially illegal move on the part of the planners."


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    I'm seeing a similar expansion for Queens Center Mall. Basically it's building expansion over a former parking lot to the east. Sorry I don't have a digital camera, otherwise I'd show you all pictures of this magnifercent growth. *

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    It's funny to see NIMBYs when they lose, and even funnier when it happens so quickly. I say full steam ahead with the expansion. Vornado has been doing some great things with King's Plaza and I hope it continues. BTW, one new Home Depot every 42 hours? In 2030 the country will be one giant home improvement store!

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    its' official.... its going to be Loews as a home improvement tenant in the expanded Kings reported by

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    Developers, You're On! City Wants To Spruce Up Brooklyn's Kings Theater

    byLysandra Ohrstrom
    March 14, 2008

    The city is looking for developers to renovate and operate the landmarked, long-derelict Loew’s Kings Theater—“the Kings” as locals called it back in the day—on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn. Designed in 1929 by Rapp and Rapp Architects, the 3,769-seat movie palace modeled after the Paris Opera House is the only one of the five “Wonder Theaters” Loew’s built in the city that has not been renovated or converted into a church.

    Rehabilitating the majestic, rotting Art Deco building will not be cheap. It has remained shuttered since 1978—the city took it over in 1983—and the city's Economic Development Corporation estimated that the project would cost a minimum of $70 million in the request for proposals it issued this week.

    The roofs of the Loew’s retail spaces have collapsed and several of the walls have serious water damage; no interior maintenance has been done for three decades; and the building is teaming with asbestos, lead, and toxic mold. But the mahogany paneling and chandeliers are still in place.

    In the RFP, the EDC is encouraging the 68,300-square-foot theater to be reused and potentially expanded to accommodate additional performance and rehearsal space for dance, theater, and music; meeting and event rooms; and an entertainment venue. The parcel also includes two adjacent, city-owned lots on East 22nd Street. The site is zoned for entertainment and restricted retail uses, and the RFP says any retail development included in the proposal must strengthen the neighborhood’s existing offerings.

    There have been several aborted attempts to make-over the Loew’s. In 1990, the city’s public development corporation released a “Requests for Expressions of Interests,” the New York Times reported; and Magic Johnson planned to renovate it in 1999. Last December the city floated the idea again, but did not release projections on the cost or time-frame.

    Even if developers bite this time, the project won't be completed anytime in the near future or before Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz retires in 2009. But here's a sweetener from a story in the Daily News: This might be one of the few construction projects in Brooklyn that seems unlikely to encounter much community opposition.

    Copyright 2008 The New York Observer.

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