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    Exclamation Informed Opinions: 52 East 4th Street

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    Not all aesthetic opinions are equal.
    I would agree that one can have an informed/educated opionion on art: and that would be the better opinion.

    So yes, all aesthetic opinions are not equal: yet still, all only opinions - not a matter-of-fact.

    This point may involve a philosophical debate regarding fact/value distinctions, and one I prefer not to get into here. Or anywhere for that matter.

    p.s. The main point I wish to make is that aesthetic opinions should not be stated in terms of "can't you tell". That is being an ART SNOB. (LOL)
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    re: Scarano ...

    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare View Post

    ... he certainly is not the "most reviled architect" on any level - in terms of aesthetic design or otherwise.
    Methinks he is more reviled / rdiculed for his own questionable business ethics and his / his agent's thuggish behavior rather than for his inadequacy in design skills.

    That being said, this new one is a bunch of notches above other Scarano designs for which I've seen renderings (not sure I've ever actually seen one of his completed buildings up close & personal).

    But the real test for Scarano will, of course, be BrooklynRider's reaction to this design ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare View Post
    I would agree that one can have an informed/educated opionion on art: and that would be the better opinion.

    So yes, all aesthetic opinions are not equal...

    p.s. The main point I wish to make is that aesthetic opinions should not be stated in terms of "can't you tell". That is being an ART SNOB. (LOL)
    Sorry if I offended you. Here's consolation, I hope: it's obvious your opinion's informed enough so you can tell Scarano can design; plainly, you possess a "better opinion."

    (But that obligates us to responsible assessments --or we lose our "art snob" credentials. )


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    A flash from the past: Keith Haring returns to The Bowery ...
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    Haring Lives
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    April 22, 2008
    by Joey

    • ...............
    LOWER EAST SIDE—Earlier, we pointed you to a Sun article about the planned
    recreation of a Keith Haring mural that the New York icon painted on a wall
    at the northwest corner of Houston Street and the Bowery in 1982.
    Lordy, the artists enlisted to paint the sucker sure are acting quick!
    Above, the wall as seen earlier this afternoon.

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    A Downtown Icon Is Re-Created


    Tseng Kwong Chi's 1982 photograph of Keith Haring's mural on the corner
    of Houston Street and Bowery. Artists are using his documentation of the
    work to reproduce the mural on the same wall.

    NY SUN
    By ERICA ORDEN,
    Staff Reporter of the Sun
    April 22, 2008

    A freestanding slab of concrete wall at the northwest corner of Houston Street and Bowery is being transformed into a fluorescent pink, orange, and green Keith Haring mural — again. To celebrate the 50th anniversary of Haring’s birth on May 4, the gallery Deitch Projects, which has represented the artist’s estate for more than a decade, and the Keith Haring Foundation have hired artists to recreate the mural that Haring, who died of AIDS in 1990, painted on the wall in 1982.

    “For people like myself who were around in the early ’80s, this Houston Street mural remains a landmark,” the art dealer and curator of Deitch Projects, Jeffrey Deitch, said. “It was such a fabulously renegade piece of New York City public street art,” the foundation’s executive director, Julia Gruen, who began her career as Haring’s studio manager in 1984, said. Ms. Gruen recalled passing by the site before she starting working for Haring. “It was the middle of the summer, it was hot as hell, and it got so much attention.”

    While the gallery and the foundation are running the project, it was Mr. Deitch’s relationship with the owner of the wall, real estate developer Tony Goldman, that sparked the re-creation. The chairman of Goldman Properties, whose holdings include such luxury condominiums as the Lofts of Greene Street and 25 Bond, Mr. Goldman is a frequent visitor of Deitch Projects.

    “He’s very much in Soho,” Mr. Deitch said, referring to Mr. Goldman’s property holdings. “Over the course of his visits we were talking about Keith Haring, and somehow it came out that he owns that wall, and I said, ‘We have a project we should do together.’ So it was a natural.” Mr. Goldman agreed to donate the use of the space.

    “The concept of recreating a mural is not necessarily something we would ordinarily agree to,” Ms. Gruen said, noting the technical resources needed to re-create, as opposed to simply restore or repair, an artwork. “It was really the fact that the wall still exists that made this so attractive.”

    The mural, Haring’s first major outdoor project, existed for a few months before its Day-Glo colors began to fade under the sun. Haring then painted over the work, destroying his own creation before it could further decompose. Before he wiped it out, however, Haring’s friend, the photographer Tseng Kwong Chi, documented the image, as he had done with much of Haring’s work, including Haring’s installations and site-specific drawings in the subway stations throughout the 1980s.

    From Chi’s photographs and from paint samples recovered by scraping away the more than 20 years of graffiti that covered the site, the studio the foundation hired for the project, Gotham Scenic, was able to replicate the design and color-match the paint the artist had used.

    “The foundation had really good documentation of it,” the artist in charge of the project for Gotham Scenic, Tom Glisson, said. “We went in and located little chips of color,” Mr. Glisson said. “We’re making an accurate a copy as we can.”

    Last September, the foundation hired Gotham Scenic to restore Haring’s 1986 “Crack is Wack” mural inHarlem River Park at East 128th Street and Second Avenue.

    The mural on Houston, which will be up until December 21, is just one part of a series of events and shows designed to honor Haring’s legacy. In November, Deitch Projects will display Haring’s 1985 work “The 10 Commandments,” a series of paintings, each 25 feet tall by 17 feet wide, which has never before been showed in America. Because of their enormous scale, the paintings will be presented in the gallery’s Long Island City space.

    Haring, his influence on pop art, and his circle of friends — which included Madonna, Jean-Michel Basquiat, and Andy Warhol — are also the subject of a documentary, “The Universe of Keith Haring,” which will make its American premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival on April 30.

    For Mr. Deitch, though, the Houston mural is representative not only of Haring’s artwork, but also of the broader cultural movement he represented. “At the time, the corner of Houston and Bowery was the center of the downtown art world, because the galleries were in SoHo and the artists were in the East Village,” Mr. Deitch said. “1982 was the peak of this downtown art world culture, and it’s also when it started going mainstream,” he said. “This project is a celebration of the dynamism of this time.”

    © 2008 The New York Sun, One, SL, LLC.

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    Brack buys Bowery townhouse


    185 Bowery


    By Adam Pincus
    Updated On 07/14/08 at 01:38PM

    Brack Capital Real Estate paid $8 million for a 7,400-square-foot commercial townhouse at 185 Bowery, giving the company four adjacent lots near Spring Street in the Lower East Side restaurant supply district.

    The company, which is developing condos and hotels in the city and owns property worldwide, closed on the century-old, four-story building on June 30, according to city records published today.

    Brack Capital declined to comment on the purchase.

    The sellers were Jack and Magda Soffer, of Intersales Commercial Company in Bayside, Queens.

    Magda Soffer said they were satisfied by the sale. "We got a good price," she said.

    She speculated that the buildings would be demolished for a new development.

    Brack Capital also purchased 187 Bowery for $7.55 million on June 30, and last year it bought 189 and 191 Bowery for a total of $14.2 million. It does not control the corner lot at Delancy Street.

    Philip Huang, a Massey Knakal Realty Services associate on the Lower East Side who was not involved in the transaction, said he had seen more sales activity since the opening in December of the New Museum for Contemporary Art at 235 Bowery.

    He also said the proposed rezoning of the East Village and Lower East Side just east of the Bowery was also affecting the street.

    "That probably makes development sites on the Bowery worth more," he said.

    © 2008 The Real Deal

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    That's a nice building. It would be a shame to see it razed. I wonder what the other buildings that Brack owns look like.

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    Bowery Gentrification Watch: Another Big Hotel?

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    July 16, 2008
    by Joey



    With yesterday's reported purchase of the townhouse at 185 Bowery, Brack Capital now owns four adjacent properties at Bowery and Delancey (rumor: hotel in the works), but the Observer has a report on the lone tenant remaining in the townhouse, and she says she's not going anywhere.

    Meanwhile, Jeremiah over at Vanishing New York dips into the history of the Bowery properties now controlled by Brack, a history that includes keno, beer bottling and suicide. [NYO; VNY]

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    Bowery Stories

    Jeremiah's Vanishing New York
    Posted by Jeremiah Moss
    July 16, 2008

    Something gigantic is coming to Bowery and Delancey. With the New Museum arrival and the protested EV/LES rezoning, the Bowery has become more valuable, and therefore more threatened, than ever before.

    Now Rob Hollander of Save the LES sends notice of a Real Deal report that condo/hotel developer Brack Capital just bought a townhouse at 185 Bowery, adding to their clustered purchases of 187, 189, and 191. Like dominoes in a row, all four are expected to fall.


    photo: dylan stone, nypl

    Brack is responsible for 15 Union Square West, a boutique hotel on Grand St., and other developments in the city. It is rumored they will demolish the four low-rises for a luxury hotel. Here comes yet another giant tower, to go with the one right behind it and all the rest.



    Today in #187, resident since 1980 Roberta Degnore still hangs on, the only one left and a possible roadblock to the wrecking ball. She recently told The Observer, "I’m alone in this freaking building on the Bowery, and if I scream, nobody will hear me.” (Take the money and run, Roberta--look what they're doing to Hettie Jones.)

    Assuming these buildings are as old as they look, there are more stories here. #189 once had a saloon in the front and a German men's keno parlor in the back. In 1867, it was raided by the police in a "Descent upon a Bowery Keno Hell."

    The Illustrated New York of 1888 tells us that #191 used to be R.H. Luthin's wholesale and retail drug house (formerly Cassebeer's drugstore) where they carried Vitalized Cordial, Wild Cherry Syrup, and Sarsaparilla. There was also "a small cigarstand and a place for the sale of hot-corn" on the site.

    By the 1930s, these were all flop hotels--The Puritan at #183, The Savoy at #185--with beds and rooms from 20 cents to 50 cents apiece.


    photo: nypl

    It's the townhouse at #185 that is clearly the architectural gem of the bunch. It also has the most tragic story.

    According to the 1884 edition of New York's Great Industries, this address was the home of Karl Hutter's Lightning Bottle-Stoppers, Lightning Fruit-Jars, and Bottlers' Supplies. Here you could see a "full assortment of his stoppers and attachments, also siphons made of French glass, with pure metal heads, bottle-filling machines, lightning bottle-washers, siphon-filling machines, corking machines," and more.

    Mr. Hutter made a fortune on his lightning bottle-stopper, which "revolutionized beer bottling." You can see its descendant today on bottles of Grolsch.


    photo: robert k. chin

    Even with all his wealth, prized Oriental rugs, and society club memberships, Mr. Hutter could not overcome the "acute melancholia" that led to his suicide in 1913. The Times reported that Mr. Hutter filled his bathtub with water, removed his clothing, got inside, and shot himself in the head--all in his "sumptuously furnished apartment" on Central Park. He left a note, saying, "The pain and agony endured in this world cannot be more than that to be endured by the soul in the next."

    There are eight million stories in the naked city. These four buildings about to vanish from the Bowery have been some of them.

    >> A NEW YORKER IS SOMEONE WHO LONGS FOR NEW YORK

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    A Bowery Veteran Hangs On

    Is longtime resident Roberta Degnore crusading—or cashing in?

    The New York Observer
    by Joe Pompeo
    July 15, 2008


    Geraldine Sargeant
    Roberta Degnore.

    When Roberta Degnore moved to the Bowery some 30 years ago, there were no ritzy hotels, expensive condos, or Whole Foods; no moms with baby carriages or yuppies walking their dogs.

    But there were plenty of prostitutes turning tricks on the corner and bums who would use her doorstep as a toilet, and you would more likely see rats on the sidewalk than copies of The New York Times.

    “It was all focused on the arts scene,” said Ms. Degnore, a petite filmmaker and psychologist with wavy red hair and cat-eye glasses, sitting in her spacious, rent-stabilized loft near the intersection with Delancey Street. “No one had any money back then. Everyone was just doing art because they loved it, and we gave each other respect because of that.”
    But the more the Bowery gentrifies, the less room there is for people like Ms. Degnore.

    Her landlord just sold for $7.55 million the five-story walk-up where she’s lived since 1980 in a 1,400-square-foot loft with a 25-by-22-foot terrace, for which she now pays around $1,300 a month. The apparent buyer is Brack Capital, a bullish global real estate firm whose New York portfolio includes an array of towering luxury hotels, condos and office buildings.

    Brack has closed on three adjacent properties, including a four-story walk-up at 189 Bowery that it bought in November of 2007 for $9.7 million, almost $5.5 million more than the same building sold for in July of 2006.

    There have been rumors the company wants to build a large hotel there, but an employee in Brack’s Manhattan office declined to comment on the company’s plans for the properties, and calls to managers handling its Bowery project were not returned.

    Earlier this year, the other tenants in Ms. Degnore’s building, who were all on market-rate leases, were bought out in deals negotiated by Robert A. Cohen & Associates, a real estate investment and property management company that appears to be involved in the sale. Ms. Degnore said she has repeatedly declined buyout offers, and Mr. Cohen declined to comment for this article.

    Now, Ms. Degnore and her dog, a 14-year-old Lab named Patsy, are the building’s sole occupants (“it’s a very creepy feeling”), but she said she won’t give up her digs: “I refuse to be forced out by developers.”

    Since the late '90s, the Bowery has been undergoing a vast luxury transformation. It’s evident in the massive hotels that have started to line the avenue from Canal Street, where the 18-story Wyndham is being built, all the way up to Sixth Street, where the 22-story Cooper Square Hotel is nearing completion; in the shiny New Museum of Contemporary Art, which looms like a giant robot above the weathered old buildings that flank it; in the neighborhood’s plethora of trendy bars; in the John Varvatos boutique that opened where the legendary CBGB used to be; and in a new Chase bank up the street, where it costs $3 to use the A.T.M.

    For better or for worse, developers are capitalizing on skid row’s legacy of art and alcoholism—grime is what gave the Bowery its character, and character is what makes it a cool place to be.

    But longtime residents like Ms. Degnore still can’t believe that a street once dominated by flophouses, winos and eccentrics is becoming a luxury destination.

    A Detroit native, Ms. Degnore came to Manhattan in 1972 in her early 20s. Her first apartment, a split-level studio with lots of windows, was on 15th Street in a newly renovated brownstone just west of Eighth Avenue. She can’t remember exactly how much the rent was, but she said it must have been “next to nothing, 200 bucks or something.”

    Over the next few years, she bounced around among various apartments in Lower Manhattan, finally moving by January of 1980 to her loft on the Bowery, which she said has been an ideal setting for creative endeavors—screenplays, novels and several short films, including an experimental documentary about the art of glass blowing that’s more reminiscent of Kenneth Anger than it is the Discovery Channel.

    The day she moved in was cold and snowy, but the loft had a working fireplace at the time. So the first thing she did after lugging up all her stuff up was buy some bundles of wood from a guy selling them out of his pickup truck, get a fire going, and invite over her friend Sam Wagstaff, Robert Mapplethorpe’s mentor and companion, who died of AIDS in 1987. They sat around for hours smoking cigarettes, she recalled.

    Back then, Ms. Degnore was cool with the prostitutes since they never really bothered anyone; and, really, the bums only got annoying when they would occasionally defecate in front of the entrance to her building, or rummage through people’s trash on garbage night.

    The Bowery’s come a long way since that time.

    “It’s pretty remarkable when you think that the Bowery used to be code language for urban blight,” said Robert Freedman, CEO of GVA Williams, the real estate adviser to the Salvation Army, which has been quietly marketing its 10-story property on the Bowery between Rivington and Stanton streets. “Now you have a more animated streetscape.”

    “It’s more vibrant,” said Fred Harris, senior vice president of development for Avalon Bay Communities, which owns the eight-story luxury rental complexes at Avalon Chrystie Place (above the Whole Foods) and Avalon Bowery Place (just north of East Houston Street). “There’s lots of people shopping there, lots of people going to the New Museum, lots of people living in our buildings. We’re certainly contributing to the economic revitalization of the Bowery.”

    Of course, luxury living isn’t for everyone. Opposition to development on the Bowery has been mounting over the past year since it came to light that the street wasn’t included in the Department of City Planning’s East Village rezoning plan. In June, some 100 people rallied in front of the Bowery Wine Company, housed on the ground floor of Avalon Bowery Place, to protest what they characterized as the yuppification of the once grimy corridor. And Ms. Degnore said she “almost died” recently when she saw the doorman for a nearby building walking a resident’s dog: “It was like, ‘Oh, ****! This is not what I signed on for.’”

    Ms. Degnore’s current lease isn’t up until May 2009, and since she’s a rent-stabilized tenant, she’s legally entitled to have it renewed. Her attorney, Jacob Shakarchy, said the new landlords could apply to have the building demolished, but that would take a considerable amount of time.

    Ms. Degnore said she heard of plans to demolish two of Brack’s neighboring buildings, though no demolition applications have been filed yet with the Buildings Department.

    The other option is a buyout. Ms. Degnore would leave only if compensated for the full amount the loft is worth, so that she could buy a comparable space. On average, apartments in her neighborhood sell for roughly $1,200 per square foot, according to data from the appraisal firm Miller Samuel, which would make hers worth around $1.65 million. She was offered $750,000, but turned it down, she said.

    In the meantime, she’s sitting tight. She said the quietness of being the only person living in the building has set in, though, and she gets freaked out every time she hears a creak or a bump.

    “It’s really made me aware of how socially interrelated we are,” she said. “Can you imagine going home to your building tonight and there’s nobody there? You’re the only one? It’s creepy.

    “Of course, it’s your own mind that does it. You know, like when you were a child having night terrors and thinking you can’t put your foot on the floor because the monster under the bed is gonna reach out and grab it. So there’s those kinds of irrational fears, but beyond that, there’s the very real fear that, hey, I’m alone in this freaking building on the Bowery, and if I scream, nobody will hear me.”

    © 2008 Observer Media Group

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    The New York Times

    September 9, 2008
    New Museum Buys Adjacent Building
    By ROBIN POGREBIN

    Not even a year after it opened a new $50 million home on the Bowery, the New Museum of Contemporary Art has acquired an adjacent building for $16.6 million, museum executives said Monday. Just south of the museum at 231 Bowery, the building is a 47,000-square-foot, five-story structure now used by a restaurant-supply company.

    Lisa Phillips, the museum’s director, said the institution would run the building “as is” for the time being, with a new ground-floor tenant. The museum, at 235 Bowery, will also use some of the vacant space for additional offices and storage “till we develop a long-range plan,” she said, adding, “There is so much possibility for institutional growth.”

    The museum’s ideas for the space include using it for expanded programming or revenue-generating activities and running it as a separate but complementary adjunct, Ms. Phillips said.

    The museum, which had been working on the deal for the last six months, paid for the new space with money raised and contributed by the board and some outside financing, she said.

    The purchase seems likely to speed the transformation of the area surrounding the New Museum. Since it moved there from SoHo, opening last December in a building designed by the Tokyo firm Sanaa, galleries and restaurants have been popping up on a strip that was long known for flophouses, bars and stores that sell light fixtures and restaurant equipment.

    Founded in 1977, the institution bills itself as Manhattan’s only museum dedicated to contemporary art. Coming shows include “A. L. Steiner + robbinschilds,” a series of site-specific performances, multichannel video installations and video projections; and “Mary Heilmann: To Be Someone,” described as the first solo exhibition and retrospective of Ms. Heilmann’s paintings, sculptures and furniture in a New York museum.

    Assessing the museum’s design by Sanaa’s founders, Kazuyo Sejima and Ryue Nishizawa, Nicolai Ouroussoff wrote in The New York Times in January 2006: “Wrapped in a woven aluminum mesh skin, the stacked forms give the composition a mysterious quality, suggesting a culture in constant flux.”

    Ms. Phillips said she hoped the museum would continue to be a part of the neighborhood’s evolution. “It’s an opportunity,” she said. “It’s an investment in our future growth. We’re a dynamic, growing institution.”

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    Salvation Army East Village Residence

    Has the Army left?

    But, we haven’t been saved yet.

    A sign in the window at the Salvation Army’s East Village Residence at 1 East Third Street indicates it may be over for the former Bowery residence.

    We can confirm that we have absolutely no confirmation of a destructive demise for the residence, but we did try to call the number on the door’s sign for more info and received the Army’s voicemail replete with lilting British Isles accent.

    Salvation Army East Village Residence

    Salvation Army Sign
    (on Ebay shortly?)

    Salvation Army East Village Residence

    East Village Residence Front Door

    Perhaps Vanishing New York’s January profile of the latest, Robert Scarano-inspired East Village tombstone was prescient. Is another high-rise on the way? Has the Army decided to sell and make use of the funds elsewhere?

    We note that the residence used to be “a residence to which pre-release referral through parole is necessary” if this message board is correct.

    Nevertheless, the destructive pace of overblown East Village development may be on the verge of welcoming yet another gleaming tower of Babel.

    http://www.eastvillagepodcasts.com/2...age-residence/

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    BLOCKBUSTER: Norman Foster Plans Bowery Gallery Building

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    by Joey
    September 11, 2008


    English architect Lord Norman Foster must be tired of dealing with all
    the stuffy uptowners (lookin' at you, Tom Wolfe!) who get mixed up in the
    business of his grand architectural visions, because rumor has it he's
    heading downtown—to the Bowery, so conveniently left out of the East
    Village/Lower East Side rezoning. According to a Curbed tipster, Foster &
    Partners has designed the above nine-story gallery building for an
    established Chelsea art dealer at 257 Bowery, just north of the New Museum
    and across the street from FLAnk Architects' planned eco-friendly hotel.

    257 Bowery, next to an old tenement building that sprouted a rooftop
    addition and went condo a little while back, is still an old tenement itself.
    The current building can be seen in the gallery above. However, the building
    was sold this summer to, wouldn't you know it, the Sperone Westwater Gallery.
    According to our tipster, the building is still in the schematic design phase,
    and indeed, according to the façade studies seen above, the design team is playing
    with a few different types of glass, including glass tubes, glass tubes of varying
    diameters, channeled glass and channeled glass with fins. Collect 'em all! The Bowery
    has landed on many stepping stones on its arduous path to becoming the playground
    of the rich and fabulous, but the arrival of one of the world's foremost starchitects
    has to be one of the biggest friggin' rocks yet. Mazel tov, you adorable old slum.

    · Soho Apt. Building Sells for $8.5M [CoStar]
    · Curbed's Bowery Gentrification coverage [Curbed]

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    I saw this on Curbed. I hope that it doesn't happen. The building is mediocre, and the one that it would replace is a nice old one. With all of the sh...it on the Bowery, can't they find a taxpayer to raze.

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    That block just south of Houston on the east side of The Bowery is coming down building by buyilding and looks like it will soon have a saw-tooth effect -- at least tuntil they take down ALL the old buildings there and build each up to max height.

    At 263 Bowery, three lots north of this one, a 4-story a 100+ year old brick building is being taken bit by bit. As of today one floor is left.

    DOB describes that job:
    PARTIAL REMOVAL OF EXTRIOR WALLS AND RELATED CONSTRUCTION AS PER PLANS.
    NO CHA NGE IN USE EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY
    The next step is an Alteration:
    ENLARGENT AND CONVERSION OF BUILDING.
    The lot is ~ 100' x 25' and they are putting up a structure measuring 7-stories / 74' / ~ 8,900 GSF

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    ....At 263 Bowery, three lots north of this one, a 4-story a 100+ year old brick building is being taken bit by bit. As of today one floor is left.....
    That sucks. Development should improve a city by, among other things, getting of crap. There is so much undistinguished crap on the Bowery that can be razed. Instead, the crap stays and nice old stuff is razed. NY is f...ked up.

    RIP:
    1. The 56th St. townhouses;
    2. The Drake (and possible the 57th St. townhouses);
    3. Rosen's former YMCA;
    4. Rosen's 516 5th Ave.;
    5. Etc., etc.

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    ^^

    Hopefully some day soon we'll have an RIP Aby Rosen. Let the bastard croak for what he wants to do at 516 Fifth to the country's most famous street.

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    I agree.

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