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    From New York Times

    January 23, 2002

    A Dutch Touch in Flying (Right Down to the Flies)

    By JOHN KIFNER

    VICTOR VAN DER CHIJS began his first board meeting at the new International Arrivals Building at Kennedy Airport promptly at 9 a.m. on Sept. 11. The meeting ended at 9:10.

    "It was incredible," he remembered. "My reaction was disbelief — `this cannot be true.' "

    As he stared at the smoke pouring from the ruined skyline of Lower Manhattan, a mechanical voice oddly repeated every 15 minutes over the public address system: "Terminal 4 J.F.K. is a nonsmoking area."

    The building had been open for only four months and there were still no television sets anywhere, so workers turned to a radio to find out what was happening.

    "It changed my world quite a bit," said Mr. van der Chijs (it rhymes with wise), whose formal title is president and chief executive of Schiphol USA, making him, among other things, the boss of the new $1.4 billion terminal, which is the cornerstone of a $10.3 billion revitalization program under way at the airport. It is the first air terminal in the United States to be built, developed and managed by a private corporation, a subsidiary of Schiphol Group, the operator of the Amsterdam airport, and the only terminal in the United States that is operated by an entity other than an airline or a government agency.

    A tall, slim man of 42 — he keeps trim running and bicycle racing — attired in an elegant double breasted gray pinstripe suit, Mr. van der Chijs studied law in his native Amsterdam (he conducts business in Dutch on a tiny cellphone), and was a banker in Hong Kong before joining Schiphol, which has an international business in airport management and real estate. The new terminal is the company's beachhead in America, but he finds himself in a somewhat different world than he had imagined.

    First, of course, business fell off drastically. The terminal is designed to handle six million passengers a year, but in the immediate aftermath of the attack, business dropped to about 25 percent of normal. It has been slowly building back up, he said, to about three-quarters of the usual volume. "We are hurting," he said.

    Then there is the issue of security and new federally mandated baggage inspections that many people fear will make air travel even more of a nightmare. No one, however, wants to get on a plane with someone wearing exploding sneakers.

    In terms of security, the new Terminal 4 is pretty much state of the art. It already has three of the big CTX baggage-screening machines, which cost $1 million each and are the size of a small car, with built-in explosive-sniffing technology — machines that are to be required in all airports by Dec. 31. (There may be quite a scramble, Mr. van der Chijs observed, because factories are now able to turn out only about 85 a year.) There is also a computerized system that connects each piece of checked luggage with a passenger's boarding pass. If a passenger does not get on the airplane, the baggage can be quickly located and removed. No passenger, he said proudly, has to wait more than 15 minutes to get through security checks, while in some airports there have been lines lasting for two or three hours. But Terminal 4 does not yet have Mr. van der Chijs's favorite device, iris-identifying equipment that is used in some places in Europe, which uses a person's eyeball to verify identity.

    It does, however, have illuminated signs picturing things passengers are not allowed to carry on: golf clubs, pool cues, hockey sticks, ski poles and corkscrews.

    "This terminal is probably safer than a city," said Mr. van der Chijs, who likes to think of airports as small cities in themselves.

    Of course, the new terminal was designed long before Sept. 11 made fear such a part of flying. A lot of what went into building Terminal 4 came from lessons learned at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, a famously passenger-friendly agglomeration of shops, restaurants, bars and hotels.

    "We want to look at it through the eyes of the passenger," Mr. van der Chijs said. "There should be lots of daylight, an open feeling. We have a lot of art. We use our airport knowledge. The airport should be a pleasant place to stay. Especially now, when people may be staying longer."

    So there are glass walls, flooding the building with sunlight. There are wide aisles around the counters of the 40 airlines, from Aer Lingus to World, using the terminal. The concourse with shops and restaurants is before the security checks, so it is open to friends and relatives accompanying passengers, encouraging them to linger. The artwork includes Alexander Calder's "Flight" mobile from the old International Arrivals Building, (whose last remnants are still being gobbled up by backhoes outside the windows) and ceramic bas-relief sculptures above the immigration booths depicting New York City street scenes, including Black Israelites haranguing people in Times Square.

    "Let me show you something else we learned from Schiphol," said Mr. van der Chijs, an impish bad-boy grin breaking his strait-laced demeanor, leading a visitor into the men's room.

    On each of the urinals, a black fly had been stenciled several inches above the drain.

    "This saves you a lot of cleaning," he said happily. "The male nature is to want to aim at something."

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    Anyone have updates on this project?
    For those of you who are clueless, the above project is the new mega-Terminal 8 at JFK International.

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    TERMINAL 8


    Concourse - Gates & Waiting Areas



    Departure Level - Ticket Purchase





    Current Construction:

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    The AA terminal project at JFK is going to eventually replace their current two terminals (8 & 9) with a single large terminal, the project was launched in '99 and was originaly scheduled for completion in '06.

    It was originaly envisioned as a 55 gate terminal, however due to economic conditions and AA trying to preserve it's cash position (it barely avoided bankruptcy a couple months ago) they are "slowing" construction and scaling the project back.

    It will have fewer gates (39 instead of the originally envisioned 55) and it's completion will not come untill '08, however the mid-field concourse should be open by late '06.

    AA is getting hit hard by low cost carriers at JFK like Jetblue, they have pulled down alot of their shorter Domestic flying. Their future plans for JFK are for Trans-Cons and International flying, the Domestic stuff (minus LAX, SFO etc) will be at LGA.

    AA is at the same time building a BEHEAMOUTH terminal in Miami, which is where they are concentrating their current resources.

    I believe most major work at JFK has actually been suspended for the time being, it should resume within a year or so.

    The airline industry was alot different in '99 when AA launched the JFK project, they have had to alter their plans to meet the current market.

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    What about the Terminal 5/6 project? I've seen renderings of it and was wondering if they are really going to do this new mega terminal. Wow! :shock: JFK International is really spicing things up and creating a "capital of the world" type airport equipped with a light rail system that connects the terminals to local transit centers, two up-to-date terminals (Terminal 1 & 4) and two new mega terminals on the way.[/img]

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    The new Terminal for Jetblue that will replace T-6 and include T-5 will be 23 gates, not HUGE but decent size compared to other terminals.

    T-4 at JFK for instance only has 16 gates!..

    For a comparison..

    JFK has 9 terminals, EWR has three.

    Yet EWR has more gates with three terminals than JFK's 9.

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    American Airlines Unveils $1.1 Billion Terminal At JFK Airport
    July 27, 2005

    http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=52391

    More space is on the horizon for travelers flying out of JFK Airport.

    American Airlines unveiled a new $1.1 billion passenger terminal Wednesday. The airline says it should be up and running next month.

    The terminal has more ticket windows, and more screening lines to help speed passengers through baggage claims and security check points.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg says travelers who use the new terminal should feel safe.

    “They certainly have purchased the ultimate in state-of -the-art technology, and they understand that we live in a world, sadly, where security is in everybody's interest," said Bloomberg.

    "When you check your luggage here, we'll actually have inline screening systems that will screen baggage as it's checked. So from a security standpoint, when the facility opens it will be state-of-the-art," said American Airlines Chairman and CEO Gerard Arpey.

    When phase two of the project is completed in about two years, American Airlines says the ticket agents and security staff will be able to process 1,800 passenger an hour.

    The terminal will also feature self serve ticket kiosks, as well as shops and restaurants, and 800 feet of curb space to keep traffic moving during passenger pick-ups and drop-offs.





    more info at DMJM:
    http://www.dmjmhn.aecom.com/MarketsA...0/28/index.jsp

    and at DMJMHarris:
    http://www.dmjmharris.com/MarketsAnd...9/99/index.jsp

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    JFK is head and shoulders above both Newark and LaGuardia. It is not "your father's JFK". NOw, if they could only get us there quickly and on a direct route...

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    Is there an underground walkway to the concourse in the rear?

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    That could have been more impressive, just average

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    Demolishing a Celebrated Wall of Glass


    The stained-glass facade of American Airlines Terminal 8 will soon be reduced to souvenir key chains.


    By RUTH FORD

    Published: July 23, 2006

    When American Airlines Terminal 8 opened in 1960 at what was then New York International Airport at Idlewild, its most striking feature was the great stained-glass facade. The structure, made of red, sapphire and white glass tiles, wasn’t just public art; it also allowed light into the terminal, while keeping those inside from broiling in the south-facing building.

    But next May, the 317-foot-by-23-foot translucent wall will come down. American Airlines is razing Terminal 8 as part of a $1.1 billion expansion that will create one terminal to serve all its customers at John F. Kennedy International Airport. “The cathedral,” as the abstract mosaic has sometimes been called, will vanish.

    The airline had hoped to salvage the window, designed by the artist Robert Sowers, but was put off by the expense. “It would cost $1 million just to take it down,” said Steven Silver, who manages real estate at American. So when the terminal is demolished, the only act of preservation will be to use some of the glass to make key chains for airline employees.

    Martin Rambusch, a fourth-generation fabricator of stained glass, whose grandfather helped assemble the window’s 30,000 tiles, said the plan to scrap it was “very disappointing.” The facade was once the largest stained-glass installation in the world, he said, adding that it was surpassed only in 1979 by Lovers Lane United Methodist Church in Dallas, three of whose four walls are stained glass.

    A different fate is planned for two interior murals by the Brazilian artist Hector Carybé, which depict scenes of American frontier life and the art and music of Latin America. They are being sold, the proceeds to pay for a mural in the new terminal by a Haitian artist, Jean-Claude Leganeur.

    While Terminal 8 is not a designated landmark, the idea of turning the glass mural into key chains has upset some. “It’s disrespectful and distasteful,” said Harriet Senie, a professor of art history at City College and the City University of New York Graduate Center. “It’s almost like a cannibalization.”

    Recently, some American Airlines employees at Terminal 8 weighed in on the mural’s fate. “I assumed they would be saving the window,” said John Corrado, a pilot with the airline for 28 years. “It is part of the New York landscape.”

    The plan to turn shards of glass into key chains seems “tacky,” he added.

    “They should preserve it,” said Craig Kozan, a supervisor, who said the artwork reminded him of a calmer time in air travel.

    But John Farrell, another pilot, said: “In this age, you can’t afford too much sentimentality. There are razor-thin margins in this business, and I don’t think anybody ever buys a ticket because American Airlines has a very nice stained window. ”

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686
    Is there an underground walkway to the concourse in the rear?
    Yes, but it involves escalator/elevator rides down and back up to reach the outer concourse. I've been using Terminal 9 since last year. The main (ticketing) hall is enormous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 / NY Times
    Demolishing a Celebrated Wall of Glass
    Very sad indeed.

    Another sure sign of US Corporations' fall from their once-exalted perch (Cathedrals of Commerce) to the mundane world of bean counters, number crunchers and efficient functionaries (few of whom have retirement plans worth a pile of doo).

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    While I'm a bit disappointed with the fact that the glass wall will not be saved in some fashion (I was hoping for a few sections of it to be placed in the new terminal), I am just so thrilled that this otherwise awful and utterly obsolete terminal will finally be demolished.

    Now we just need to either raze the former Pan Am terminal (now operated by Delta) or at least gut the place and renovate and we'll have a spiffy set of terminals at JFK.

    The international arrivals portal at Delta is enough to make a first time tourist to the US think that America is a third world nation (although I suppose the recent weeklong blackout in Queens could do the same). I doubt the terminal has been renovated since it was built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macreator
    Now we just need to either raze the former Pan Am terminal (now operated by Delta) or at least gut the place and renovate...
    That was once the cat's meow. Even had air curtains.

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