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    Quote from an article in today's NY Times...

    The Jets have their own deadline because their lease ends after the 2008 season.

    "Giant Stadium is red and blue," Cross said. "It is clear who is in control there. This is a departure point."

    The Jets want no part of returning to Shea Stadium or even a new stadium in Queens. It must be Manhattan, they say, to attract around 150 other events a year under the proposed roof.

    Cross insists that the Jets are not depending on New York's winning the 2012 Summer Games. The optimistic Doctoroff, when pressed about a possible loss of the 2012 Games, conceded that "the entire West Side plan goes forward."

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    'The Jets want no part of returning to Shea Stadium or even a new stadium in Queens. It must be Manhattan, they say, to attract around 150 other events a year under the proposed roof. '

    Well no other options...Case close.

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    December 9, 2003

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    Jets' Plans Can't Depend on the Olympics

    By GEORGE VECSEY


    A rendering of the proposed stadium in Manhattan that would be the home of the Jets and the linchpin of a bid for the 2012 Summer Games.

    IT'S over. There will be no convictions for the two Salt Lake City officials who presided over freebies and cushy jobs to help lure the 2002 Winter Games to Utah. A judge threw out the case last week.

    But repercussions from that long morality play will affect another American city currently lusting after the dubious honor of playing host to the 2012 Summer Games.

    New York has juiced up its Olympic bid with an impressive-sounding $800 million offer from the Jets to help build a palace in Manhattan. But many roadblocks remain.

    One is named London and another Paris, two of the eight other cities bidding for the 2012 Games. Another roadblock may be worldwide political fallout from the United States' incursion into Iraq.

    Still another roadblock is the recent disarray of the United States Olympic Committee, along with the international perception that American track and field and Major League Baseball are shielding their eyes from performance-enhancing drugs. And the bribe scandal in Salt Lake City does not help.

    "The anti-American sentiment is very real and palpable," said David D'Alessandro, the president of John Hancock Financial Services, a major sponsor of international sports.

    To be sure, New York has a few little things in its favor — glamour, money, talent, expertise, persuasiveness and landmark facilities.

    The big city is not accustomed to being a long shot or an also-ran in anything, but Andrew Zimbalist, the sports economist from Smith College, rates New York's chances for 2012 as 1 in 50.

    Nevertheless, New York (being New York) forges straight ahead, the pungent tang of real-estate development blending with the illusory aroma of Olympic fever.

    In 1994, Daniel L. Doctoroff, then a money manager, began his eloquent campaign for an Olympic stadium that would foster development on the West Side. (Whether a gigantic stadium, hunkering alongside the Hudson River, is good for the people and the ambience of the West Side is quite another issue.)

    Coming on board in 2000, the Jets have offered $800 million to build the New York Sports and Convention Center (puh-leeze, not a stadium) that would be the linchpin of an Olympic bid.

    "There's been an evolution, but not a change in thinking," said Doctoroff, now a deputy mayor of New York, who called the Jets' involvement "a happy coincidence."

    Robert Wood Johnson IV, the owner of the Jets, is not going to dig out $800 million from his walking-around funds to create The House That Woody Built.

    According to L. Jay Cross, the president of the Jets, the club would "borrow some money" and also arrange the normal $150 million new-stadium loan from the National Football League. Cross said that the Jets would also seek corporate partners and suite-holders, but that the club was "not convinced" about selling the naming rights.

    The city and state would have to arrange financing for what could be another $700 million or more for a retractable roof, a deck over the railroad yards, air rights and other construction. Extension of existing rail lines could cost around $1.5 billion.

    Meanwhile, time is ticking toward the International Olympic Committee's vote on July 6, 2005. Because of the Salt Lake City scandal, I.O.C. delegates are no longer allowed to make boondoggle visits or be swayed by tuition and frilly jobs for family members. Not that New Yorkers would have sunk as low as those tricky Utahans, mind you.

    Since Dr. Jacques Rogge became president in 2002, the I.O.C. has insisted upon detailed guarantees of how each new Olympic stadium will be acquired. The shovels do not have to be in the ground on July 6, 2005 — but financing for the shovels must be demonstrated.

    The Jets have their own deadline because their lease ends after the 2008 season.

    "Giant Stadium is red and blue," Cross said. "It is clear who is in control there. This is a departure point."

    The Jets want no part of returning to Shea Stadium or even a new stadium in Queens. It must be Manhattan, they say, to attract around 150 other events a year under the proposed roof.

    Cross insists that the Jets are not depending on New York's winning the 2012 Summer Games. The optimistic Doctoroff, when pressed about a possible loss of the 2012 Games, conceded that "the entire West Side plan goes forward."

    The NYC 2012 campaign is now led by Jay Kriegel, 63, a classic New York insider going back to his hitch as chief of staff for former Mayor John V. Lindsay in the late `60's. Kriegel has a double chore — financing the entire Olympic package and persuading I.O.C. delegates to vote for New York in 2005.

    Will international politics work against New York? "Both Moscow and Los Angeles were awarded Games during the Cold War," noted Harvey Schiller, a former executive director of the U.S.O.C., now working in New York and active with the 2012 bid.

    "Delegates could see New York as an Olympic island, not continentally based," suggested Richard Pound of Canada, an I.O.C. delegate and the president of the World Anti-Doping Agency. Pound added that the recent selection of Vancouver to hold the 2010 Winter Games could work against a North American city for 2012.

    Then there is the recent chaos in the U.S.O.C., now being revamped under Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona. Some I.O.C. delegates are sure to recall how a weary Juan Antonio Samaranch, in his final days as president of the I.O.C., was pressured into testifying before Congress about the Salt Lake City scandal.

    Pound called the bribes "tacky beyond description" but did not think they were worth prosecuting. For many I.O.C. members, getting caught and the subsequent American-style moralizing are sore points.

    "If New York hopes to get the Games, we can't be ignoring or minimizing these international rules," D'Alessandro said.

    The I.O.C. policy is that the Games must leave a legacy of facilities for the people of any host city. My opinion has long been that New York does not need to throw an expensive 17-day party for Olympic glory. It should not turn itself into a high-security television studio while schools, hospitals and the infrastructure are falling apart.

    "What's the big deal in getting the Olympics in New York?" Zimbalist asked. "The city will go nuts, displacing all the people who would normally come here for the theater and the museums."

    The odds are long against New York's holding the Games in 2012. The Jets are facing their own two-minute drill, with many yards to go.


    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

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    The Jets want no part of returning to Shea Stadium or even a new stadium in Queens. It must be Manhattan, they say, to attract around 150 other events a year under the proposed roof.
    So will the Jets control the non-football events in the stadium? Will there be a split in revenue between the city and the Jets, and in what proportion? Will the convention center have to pay the Jets for use of space?

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    From newyorkgames.org, more information on the stadium and the exhibits at the Center for Architecture...

    The Olympic/Jets stadium is depicted as ready-made for basketball in its arena configuration. This suggests NYC2012 is still hoping to move Madison Square Garden to the stadium to help its economic viability, and also to free up the MSG site for office development

















    From this site you can see that 2 new towers would sit on the site of the current MSG


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    Those are some crisp renders'

    I dont follow football, but I can see myself using that waterfront!

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    My head is spinning with all this talk of new stadiums, arenas, skyscrapers...NY is on one if its biggest building booms ever....somewhere the ghost of Robert Moses is smiling..(although he would like it better if a few more neighborhoods were being gutted)...

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    Now if you look at this picture...in the near future there will be another business section in Manhattan...just like Downtown and Midtown.

    What will this one be called? :roll:

    I will call it 'The Westown' - I dont know maybe is a stupid and obvious name.

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    chance are the way the city is driving business outside of its borders most of this space will be residetial

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6
    chance are the way the city is driving business outside of its borders most of this space will be residetial
    Sh*tty attitude :x

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    My head is spinning with all this talk of new stadiums, arenas,
    Nothing has happened yet, although the new West Side Jets stadium seems like a certain winner.

    The Brooklyn arena for the Nets I give less than a 30% chance, all talk without even ownership of anything.

    If you want to see new stadiums and arenas etc take a drive down to Philadelphia.

    I like going to Philadelphia for Phillies games a few times a year, the amount of building going on there is amazing..

    The Eagles (NFL) have a brand new stadium that opened this year, Lincoln Financial.

    The FLyers and Sixers play in the Waichovia Arena which is brand new (2-3 years old)

    The Phillies will play next season in a brand new Stadium,

    And they even kept the old Spectrum for concerts.

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    Well...let me tell you something about Philadelphia. First of all these Stadiums are built with tax payers money...sure they are great and some how amazing stadiums but it is not helping the city at all or will on income. Sadly, it is a waste of money. (at one time they thought about putting the stadium in the city close to center city and it didn't got a good response from activists).

    Now a stadium where restaurants, bars, stores, hotels, transportation and a convention center and other events will benefit like the Jets stadium will in Manhattan...thats what I call strategic thinking! :idea:

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    Yeah they wanted to put the Phillies Stadium near Chinatown, they fought that hard.

    It would have been nice if they could have worked it into Penn's Landing or something, within walking distance of South Street and Society Hill.

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    They have the same problem in Cincinnati. Over $300 million for a new stadium for one of the worst teams in the NFL, meanwhile the city continues in a downward spiral due to strained race relations, a corrupt police force and a skyrocketing crime rate. Of course, the new stadium (which involved the demolition of the old Cinergy Field/Riverfront Stadium) is meant to be the centerpiece of a huge riverfont redevelopment which I can only hope goes through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6
    chance are the way the city is driving business outside of its borders most of this space will be residetial
    Almost 3/4 of the planned space is office, I think 28 mil sq ft. of office and 12 of residential.

    Stop being so bitter. Things are changing, LIC and Brooklyn will develop and stem the loses to NJ. Give NYC time to make up for it's past mistakes.

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