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    Default Bloomberg: *new stadium for Manhattan's Westside

    yes, sadly the cost of the proposed jets stadium will come from out of our pockets, but never the less i can't help but be blinded by such radical proposal to be injected into our new york city fabric. The latest monumental addition, just in time, seeing... we just lost one of our greatest...this stadium will strengthen our cities integrity. it will only aid our lost. Maybe bloomberg's using this to be in the light, but it will not darken our recent tragedy. this project's been on the drawing boards way before 9/11. the lucky sculptors, Kohn Pedersen Fox architects, heads the design, famous for monuments all around the world. with this... i am confident in the outcome of this project

    www.kpf.com *

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    I was originally opposed to the west side stadium plan:
    1. The land is too valuable for 8 football games a year.
    2. Ticket holders generally drive. Hard to tailgate on the subway.
    3. I'm a Giants fan *

    But a multiuse (shrinkable?) stadium incorporating Javitts Center makes more economic sense.

    Any models of the stadium?

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    Can you find the plans on the KPF site? *I thought it was done by someone else.

    Anyway, there is nothing bad about this proposal except maybe some extra traffic. *So what - this is Manhattan. *It'll be better than the current MSG traffic, since it is much more remote (by the West Side Highway, etc.).

    It, with the Javits expansion (finally) to the North will cause a "boom" in development in a tragically indeveloped slab of Manhattan. *Odd that it has been this long for any real plans to go forth in that area. *

    It will be great - there should be a lot of bars, restaurants, hotels, and residences in the area to make it have a real "downtown" feel. *If you've been to Chicago or Boston or Baltimore, etc. you know how great it would be.

    Amazing how people in the most dynamic city in, maybe, the world could hate change so much. *Carzy, really.

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    Default Bloomberg: *new stadium for Manhattan's Westside

    my site's down, but if u guys wanna see some pix of what the stadium looks like so far, email me at:

    dkpdt@aol.com

    the designing of this things still in progress so keep in mind that it may look totally diferent from what it *looks like now

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    Default Bloomberg: *new stadium for Manhattan's Westside

    It seems the chorus of voices opposed to this project is similar to the small loud group of victim's families who believe that if they yell loudest they are somehow right.

    A stadium not only in Manhattan, but in this particular location makes great development sense. *It sits atop a transportation hub that draws from every suburb and every borough. *The argument about traffic is not applicable, because a auto transportation is eliminated from the equation by location.

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    Here are some renderings of it. It looks pretty good.

    This is from TheinSiDer. Thanks by the way. The big version is here. \http://images2.fotki.com/v17/free/c9...rsenFox-or.jpg

    Some other renderings from AIANY. *\http://www.aiany.org




    Thanks to KPF.

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    That's pretty f***in nice. *That would look great on the water. *Plus, it could be a Javits addition (plus going North), a home for the Jets, Knicks, Rangers, maybe the MetroStars and will be able to host all those mega concerts that go to Nassau and the Meadowlands now.

    I can't see how this is bad for the city, really.

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    Great looking stadium.

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    oooh, gorgeous.

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    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?B...=461&rfi=9

    Chelsea residents vow to fight city on stadium

    By: Albert Amateau February 05, 2003




    A few hours after Mayor Bloomberg on Jan. 23 outlined his vision for the west side of Midtown - including an Olympic stadium, high-rise office towers and an expanded Javits Convention Center, Chelsea residents and elected officials vowed to resist the plan they fear would overwhelm their neighborhood.

    More than 60 residents ventured out in the freezing weather to gather at P.S. 33 in Chelsea to denounce both the proposal for a stadium to serve the 2012 Olympics and the Jets football franchise and for an extension of the No. 7 subway line to 10th Ave. as a wasteful use of public funds.

    "The stadium is being foisted on a community that doesn't want it," said Kathy Kinsella, a Democratic district leader who moderated the forum.

    Assemblymember Richard Gottfried, State Sen. Tom Duane and City Councilmember Christine Quinn ridiculed the Bloomberg administration's view that the redevelopment area - roughly between 24th and 43rd Sts. from Eighth Ave. to the Hudson River - is "dead space."

    "Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff described it as a place where nothing happens and City Planning says that only 150 people live in the area - they're describing my district," said Quinn. The population estimate of 150 might apply to three blocks directly across from the rail yards, but it's absurd considering the proposed redevelopment area, Quinn declared. "The planning is for tourism, sports and entertainment and there's no planning for housing or schools," she added.

    City Planning has scheduled a Feb. 10 hearing at 6 p.m. at the Javits Convention Center, Hall 1E, on the proposal, known as the Hudson Yards Master Plan. Quinn noted that the stadium and redevelopment plan must go through the city Uniform Land-Use Review Procedure, with final review by the City Council, a process that takes at least seven months. "We need to involve other neighborhoods and boroughs because the City Council is where the plan could be stopped," said Quinn. Elected officials also denounced the Tax-Increment Funding proposal to pay for the subway extension and part of the stadium with future taxes based on the enhanced value of the redeveloped neighborhood.

    "The city is looking to take future tax revenue for the No. 7 line extension and for the billion-dollar platform over the rail yards for the stadium - that's money that won't be used for city services," said Gottfried. "Not a single constituent has ever said we need the subway extension - subways have always been a development tool. We want people to come to the West Side, but not tens of thousands of them who want to party after a football game," he said.

    Gottfried said the No. 7 subway extension would "have a devastating impact" on the Second Ave. subway proposed for the East Side. "We have a good shot at defeating [the No. 7 line extension] because [Assembly Speaker] Sheldon Silver's district includes the Second Ave. line," Gottfried suggested.

    Duane also criticized the Tax-Increment Funding proposal. "I don't want to see future taxes go to support overdevelopment," he said. "We need a movement like the one that stopped Westway," he added, referring to the defeat in 1985 of the $4 billion federal landfill-and-highway project along the Hudson River between the Battery and 59th St.

    Joseph Rappaport, a former policy analyst with the New York Public Interest Research Group and the Straphangers' Campaign and currently with the Transport Workers Union, said there have been no studies to show the benefits of a No. 7 line extension. He contended the extended track would have curves that would force trains to go slowly and result in fewer trains per hour on the line which links Flushing and Shea Stadium with Manhattan.

    John Fisher, a founder of the Clinton Special District Coalition, said the stadium and redevelopment proposal would add 20 million sq. ft. of office space and allow for 30 high-rise office buildings. "There is now 44 million sq. ft. of vacant space in Manhattan, about 14 million of it Downtown," Fisher added.

    The Bloomberg administration's view of the Hudson Yards and stadium proposal is on the City Planning Web site, reachable through www.nyc.gov.

    The forum was sponsored by the Chelsea Reform Democratic Club.


    He acts like the towers will be built next week. All 150 of them are fools. I can't believe they are even trying to stop the 7 line.

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    Is there any area in the city that welcomes development??? *I don't think those residents have much of a chance to kill the plans. *How 150 people have more say than the entire metro area of NYC is unfathomable. *The whole metro area would benefit from a stadium and an expanded Javitz Convention Center. *Having the Jets, Rangers, and Knicks in brand new stadiums will fetch more revenue for the city, especially because the Jets were in Jersey. *The Knicks and Rangers are horrible. *If they get a new stadium, fans might come out to see them again. *The Javitz center is too small for major conventions. *Making it bigger will bring more and bigger conventions to the city. *Hotels will see more occupancy, and the city will beneift from having more tourists who like to buy things.

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    Default Bloomberg: *new stadium for Manhattan's Westside

    Obviously, Evan, you have a problem.

    The problem is that you think with your head NOT up your a**, just spewing logic left and right.

    Why would the city not want to develop all that land, it's much better serving the area as garages, warehouses, and vacant buildings and lots. *Why would you want to a world class facility bringing in all these taxes and development. *

    Why can't Manhattan go back to the days before it was bought for $24 - ahhh, the good life.

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    Quote: from billyblancoNYC on 11:22 am on Feb. 7, 2003
    Obviously, Evan, you have a problem.

    The problem is that you think with your head NOT up your a**, just spewing logic left and right.

    Why would the city not want to develop all that land, it's much better serving the area as garages, warehouses, and vacant buildings and lots. *Why would you want to a world class facility bringing in all these taxes and development. *

    Why can't Manhattan go back to the days before it was bought for $24 - ahhh, the good life.
    LOL billyblancoNYC. *That was excellent satire!!!

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    New Jets Stadium on West Side?
    NPR, January 29, 2003
    by Fred Mogul

    The New York Jets have released drawings for a proposed West Side stadium almost covertly. You have to go to a museum in Washington to see them. The proposed stadium wouldn't just be Jets green,' it would be the country's first environmentally green arena, too - complete with solar cells, wind turbines and rain catchers. WNYC's Fred Mogul takes a look at the plans.

    The High-Line is a weedy, abandoned overpass -- a linear vacant lot that connects the West Village's old meatpacking district with the midtown rail-yards near the Javits Convention Center. It's been years since anyone has used it to ship meat and produce uptown, but if architect Bill Pedersen has his way

    Pedersen: we can potentially integrate the High Line into the movement system of the stadium and bring people into the stadium on the High Line itself. And drawing the character of the High Line and drawing the physical aspect of the High Line into the design of the stadium was a very important consideration for us in the design for us.

    Can you integrate a glistening 75,000-seat stadium into a gritty urban neighborhood and a proposed riverside park? Pedersen and his team at Kohn Pedersen Fox & Associates started with the old ocean-liner piers nearby, that jut into the Hudson.

    Pedersen: And those piers have a very specific architectural language, which is predominantly a steel skeleton which arises high above the body of the pier and forms two very strong parallel walls extending out into the Hudson river. In many respects, we can almost think of it as an inland pier.

    The proposed stadium on 11th Avenue and 32nd Street also echoes the George Washington Bridge, and its gauzey screens of interlocking beams and girders. But Pedersen wants this 20-story-high rectangular box to be both industrial and natural. What landed his plans in a new exhibit called Big n' Green, at the National Building Museum in Washington, is the stadium's environmental sensitivity.

    Pedersen: We believe that this building has the potential to be a power plant as opposed to just a consumer of energy, and we're able to generate energy from sustainable sources.

    The retractable-roof stadium would have solar tubes for heat; large, channeled roofs for collecting water; and photo-voltaic cells to produce electricity -- which would also be generated by a series of wind turbines -- two long horizontal rows of slowly-twisting fan blades extending the length of the stadium sides. Pedersen says these will make the structure kinetic. Architectural motion' is one thing, but local neighborhood activist John Fisher is concerned about another kind of activity: traffic.

    Fisher: That's 10,000 cars, and that's the Jets' own study that predicted that, on a Sunday afternoon. That's the quiet time for this neighborhood. During the rest of the week, we're inundated with gridlock, day in, day out.

    Fisher thinks the Jets are using environmentalism to sell a controversial project. He's concerned that the stadium will be used much more than eight autumn Sundays a year. There are plans that would temporarily expand it into an Olympic stadium in 2012, and regularly contract it into an indoor arena that could someday replace Madison Square Garden. Its palatial floor could be used as an expansion for the Javits Convention Center, if Mayor Bloomberg has his way. Felix Bermudez lives two blocks away, and as far as he's concerned, the more activity, the better.

    Bermudez: It's NYC, it's part of our life -- the traffic the noise the blowing of the horn everything congested. That's us. That's New York. That's how we live. That's how we get along. And I'm all for it, and hopefully I get an offer for my apartment from some rich millionaire.

    The City planning department is holding a meeting on the Hudson Yards area at the Javits Center on February 10, a week from Monday. Approval for the stadium and the extended neighborhood-development plans -- if approval comes -- will take months, or even years. And if Pedersen's creation does gets built, it will be interesting to see how much of the artist's rendering - and his vision -- remains.

    For WNYC, I'm Fred Mogul.


    Find out more about the Hudson Yards from the City Planning Dept. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/hyards/hymain.html

    Visit "Big and Green" at the National Building Museum
    http://www.nbm.org/Exhibits/current/Big_and_Green.html

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