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    Quote Originally Posted by BPC
    That definition leaves no room for zoning, and puts us in Houston, Texas.
    Has nothing to do with zoning....I am takling about "community members" claiming to be stakeholders.........of corse there is zoning requirements....has been that way for decades.

    So I guess I needed to say that "community members" claim to be stakeholders: when in fact they are not.

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    This town still sizzles? Did they open a Sizzler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD
    The folks who make up CB1 should go live in a sensible city--wherever that is.
    I agree,,,,,looks like the same sort of thing is happening at this uptown site too.

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    The draft scope of work for the EIS is on the City's website and includes a few maps and figures such as a proposed site plan:
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...raft_scope.pdf

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    Here are the proposed heights:

    616 First Ave. 45 floors 578 feet - residential
    685 First Ave. 67 floors 836 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. A 63 floors 792 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. B 50 floors 643 feet - residential
    708 First Ave. A 57 floors 864 feet - mixed use
    708 First Ave. B 40 floors 528 feet - residential

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    Can there be any doubt Solow is simply going pie-in-the-sky, knowing full well those #s can't be realized, so that way he can shave 20 or so stories off each building in a grand gesture of compromise?

    Look at it this way: he proposes a five-hundred foot tower; the community blasts it--predictably. He makes the necessary concessions; the finished building is three-hundred fifty feet.

    But...start off with eight-hundred feet, then offer to shave to five-hundred? Shrewd tactics.

    But I'll await CB6's counter proposal, which should be some form of BANANA---> Building Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMGarcia
    Here are the proposed heights:

    616 First Ave. 45 floors 578 feet - residential
    685 First Ave. 67 floors 836 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. A 63 floors 792 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. B 50 floors 643 feet - residential
    708 First Ave. A 57 floors 864 feet - mixed use
    708 First Ave. B 40 floors 528 feet - residential
    These buildings aren't even that tall. While I'm no fan of Chicago, in that city, they'd add another 200 feet to those heights just for kicks, and the residents would support the developer wholeheartedly for doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD
    But I'll await CB6's counter proposal, which should be some form of BANANA---> Building Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody.
    Wait no longer...I found the 197c plan here:
    http://www.cb6mnyc.org/197%20C.pdf

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    I was hoping that there'd be more office space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TranspoMan
    Wait no longer...I found the 197c plan here:
    http://www.cb6mnyc.org/197%20C.pdf

    Read some of it TM,thanks. This may go the same way as 200 chambers street went.......great architecturals at the start (norman foster) then after months/years of bikkering;;;;;;; great architect gives-up in frustrationand leaves the project............ we then get watered down project and NYC gets only an ok building..........not a Great Building.

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    Here are the proposed heights:
    616 First Ave. 45 floors 578 feet - residential
    685 First Ave. 67 floors 836 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. A 63 floors 792 feet - residential
    700 First Ave. B 50 floors 643 feet - residential
    708 First Ave. A 57 floors 864 feet - mixed use
    708 First Ave. B 40 floors 528 feet - residential
    The shortest of the proposed buildings is still taller than what the CB is allowing. This graphic is from CB6's proposal above (p.12):


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    The sensible solution is to let the UN build a new ~1,200 ft tower next to the existing property ... the Secretariat is thereby framed by Trump's tower and the new UN tower.

    Then let Solow go up to 800 - 1,000 ft. on his properties.

    Dynamic.

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    I am new to the whole zoning process, but could someone explain or point me to a concise explanation of the "FAR". I get that it is Floor Area Ratio. But a Far of 12 makes a building of what height? And if you halve the FAR do you get a building half as tall?

    On a side note, this community board thing is depressing. I found this site because I was looking for more information on this particular project cause I thought it would be massive. Alas it looks like some people want to live in NYC and not actually know they live in NYC

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    The mantra of community boards:

    Sensible development now! Sensible development forever!
    Stop the dangerous overpopulation of NYC!
    Stop shadows!
    Stop everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentPandaesq
    I am new to the whole zoning process, but could someone explain or point me to a concise explanation of the "FAR". I get that it is Floor Area Ratio. But a Far of 12 makes a building of what height? And if you halve the FAR do you get a building half as tall?
    Definition taken from the Dept. of City Planning:

    Floor Area Ratio (FAR)
    "Floor Area Ratio" is the total floor area on a zoning lot divided by the lot area of that zoning lot. For example, a building containing 20,000 square feet of floor area on a zoning lot of 10,000 square feet has a floor area ratio of 2.0.

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