Reply With QuoteWhat does he mean by that? The PATH terminal will be directly connected to the Fulton St transit center...Originally Posted by BigMac
NJ.com
June 24, 2004
'It's much more than a PATH station,' audience told of plans at WTC site
By Wendy Mbekelu
Journal staff writer
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey presented plans to the public in Jersey City Tuesday night for the permanent World Trade Center PATH station.
Louis Menno, a PATH program director, gave a half-hour presentation summarizing the findings of a draft environmental impact statement in the City Council Chambers at City Hall. He said the Port Authority built the temporary station now in use in Lower Manhattan as quickly as possible following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 but that the station will be unable to meet the long-term needs of PATH commuters.
Ridership is projected to exceed pre-Sept. 11 levels by 25 percent, he said, and without an infusion of capital, operations at the temporary station will have to cease sometime between 2009 and 2025, according to the report.
The permanent station will accommodate 81,000 passengers per day, up from the current 50,000, he said.
The number of pedestrian connections to New York City subways will increase - connections to the 1/9, 4/5, J/M/Z lines will be available, along with existing connections, to the R/W, A/C/E, 2/3 lines - and access will be provided to memorial that will be built at the site.
"It is much more than a PATH station," said Steve Coleman, the Port Authority spokesman. "What we are building there is a transportation hub that will greatly benefit commuters by allowing them to easily connect from the PATH to other modes of transportation. Currently those connections do not exist."
One debate is whether to construct the permanent terminal with or without a pedestrian connection to Liberty Park Plaza. According to the report, that will have no effect on the design or the construction schedule but, without a connection, pedestrian traffic will increase at Liberty and Church streets.
The Port Authority, in conjunction with the Federal Transportation Authority, will work to minimize adverse environmental impacts by installing barriers to reduce noise, fitting machinery with mufflers and using sulfur-free fuels. The bi-state agency is also working closely with preservation groups to minimize effects on historic and archeological structures.
At City Hall on Tuesday night, computer monitors flickered with images of the completed terminal, showing a glass, steel, and concrete structure built to capture the maximum amount of natural light and to give commuters views of adjacent buildings.
Unlike the current terminal, the permanent hub will be climate-controlled. It is slated to open in 2006.
An audience of less than 20, most of them Port Authority staff, came out for Tuesday's meeting.
"I'd be lying if I said we wouldn't be using this facility, it's new and improved, but we feel it is a missed opportunity not to connect to the Upper East Side," said John Bowen, president of the New Jersey Railroad Passengers Association, during the public comment period.
© 2004 NJ.com
What does he mean by that? The PATH terminal will be directly connected to the Fulton St transit center...
NJ-ARP has their own proposal they were floating to directlyc connect the PATH system with the Lexington ave line, as seen here..
http://www.nj-arp.org/path_lex.html
Now this is really good! Glad to hear that one. 8)Unlike the current terminal, the permanent hub will be climate-controlled
The path trains are already getting a bit crowded during rush hour. Do you really think making them more accessable will help things?
I think having the extension there would be a good thing, but we should not OPEN that extension until the system itself is streamlined a bit (we need better track controls and the like to improve efficiency).
Hoboken Station could also stand a facelift and improvements in such rudamentaries as VENTILATION and track access.
We will see what happens though....
Christopher, 9th and 14th St. PATH stations could really use some work. Too few turnstiles, and they're like a sauna.
The Hoboken station needs a total makeover. A building like the Port Authority Bus station on 42nd should be built over the tracks and the bus station there. Include a parking garage, bus platforms, update the PATH station, improved cab station and tie it into the train station. That way you accomplish ventilation, elevators, better access, integrate shops and put some office space above it. That area is an eyesore, hard to believe it stays like that in such a high rent area.
I know we got off subject, my apologies, but I had to vent
Well, the Hoboken station should do a lot of things, not the least of which being some way to get traffic and other things OVER the tracks and to the other side. Right now there is only the loop around to get UNDER the tracks and then down and around the tunnel entrance. If they could just extend Hudson street over the tracks, there would be a more direct conection to downtown JC.
As for the station, it needs a few more spots for the path trains. It also needs to be more easily accessable from all turnstyles (try going to track 2 from the other side od track 1, you have to go up and around if you miss the doors, etc....)
Christopher needs work, but you had everyone in the village squawking about how that would somehow "ruin" the village.
Ruin the village because there is another PATH entrance? This is the line that I get pissed off about with the "preservationists" NIMBY's.
But all the old stations need some better way to ventilate. Shafts would be handy, because it gets BRUTALLY hot in those tunnels!
But they should still build the extension when they are doing this now. They should not do it like it is pictured now, maybe an offshoot from the WTC loop would work better. This way, if they WANT to do this in the future, they can. But they don't HAVE to run the lines that way until they are able to make the changes needed elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind seeing the PA Bus Term moved Westward, away from TS. It should be the base of a mixed-use development. It would help spark the development there and allow for a nice development on the current site.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...-regional-wire
Ridership at restored WTC PATH station outpacing estimates
November 22, 2004, 5:10 PM EST
NEWARK, N.J. -- PATH ridership at the World Trade Center station has exceeded expectations since the service was reactivated a year ago, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said Monday.
Average weekday ridership was just under 40,000 trips, almost 40 percent higher than the 26,000 daily trips anticipated, according to Anthony Coscia, chairman of the bistate agency.
Coscia said the $560 million project to restore PATH service to the World Trade Center following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks took just 26 weeks when it normally would have taken years.
Coscia said because the agency believed PATH service was a cornerstone of the regional economy, "We put a huge emphasis last year on trying to get service restored."
Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press
That's good news to hear. And no WTC tenants to speak of yet. When the new WTC complex is up and open, the PATH terminal will be its busiest ever, higer even than pre-9/11 levels.Average weekday ridership was just under 40,000 trips, almost 40 percent higher than the 26,000 daily trips anticipated, according to Anthony Coscia, chairman of the bistate agency.
PATH extension to Newark Airport should add another 6-8,000 daily riders by 2009.When the new WTC complex is up and open, the PATH terminal will be its busiest ever, higer even than pre-9/11 levels.
I'm skeptical about that, despite how interesting the projoect sounds. The Lexington Avenue Line is already badly overcrowded as any East Sider can attest to, so the last thing that's needed is ten thousand commuters from New Jersey sharing the tracks with them every day. If the project could be put off until the Second Avenue Subway is built, then that's a different story.
That plan to connect the PATH with the Lexington Ave line comes from the need to get NJ riders to the East side, and to connect NJ with the NYC Transit system.
A better idea that's been floated is to extend the L train to Hoboken, with stops at 10th Ave and 14th street in Manhattan and stops in "North" Hoboken and Hoboken Terminal "South" in New Jersey.
So then the new L-train cars would be obsolete. Would it take much effort to reconfigure the route maps and announcements?
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