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    Sales soar at mall, bucking U.S. trend

    Elisabeth Butler Cordova
    Published: February 24, 2008 - 6:59 am

    As the sinking economy lays waste to malls nationwide, shoppers are flocking to The Shops at Columbus Circle, spending freely in tony stores like Tourneau and at upscale restaurants like Per Se.

    The West Side center delivered average sales of $1,500 a square foot last year, an astounding 25% jump from 2006. Traffic increased by 10%, to more than 16 million visitors, and total sales shot up 15%, topping $300 million. That makes The Related Companies property one of the country's top-performing shopping centers.

    “Overall, we're seeing sales declining, but you're not going to see that in a center like this,” says a spokeswoman for the International Council of Shopping Centers. “This is a very unique property.”

    Critics who once predicted that The Shops would fail miserably now proclaim it to be Manhattan's only thriving mall.

    “This is successful beyond anything that's been done before in New York City,” agrees Kenneth Himmel, chief executive of Related's urban management division.

    Foreign magnet

    The Shops owes its success to its popularity with both locals and visitors. The center attracted 25% more foreign tourists last year than it had in 2006, and they generated about 16% of annual sales. But even traditionally aloof New Yorkers swarmed its Equinox gym and Whole Foods Market, paying big bucks for sweat and sushi to go.

    The Shops' challenge is to stay fresh and relevant in a city that's full of hot shopping areas, including SoHo and Union Square, and stave off the economic pressures engulfing retailers.

    To help maintain momentum, Related is wooing even more foreign tourists and inviting U.K. and German tour operators for visits.

    Related wants to shake up its tenant mix in the next few years, too. Up for replacement: stores that ring up annual sales of less than $1,000 a square foot—a lofty benchmark for most retailers.

    “Chances are, it's not a very profitable venture for them, either, considering the load they have to carry to be here,” says Webber Hudson, executive vice president of retail at Related. Asking rent for the ground floor of The Shops already tops $500 a square foot.

    Related's brass would not disclose the stores on its hit list, but some dated brands clearly draw less traffic than others. Among those that might not last are Face, Crabtree & Evelyn and D. Fiori on the ground floor, and Benetton, Benetton Kids and Esprit upstairs.

    In its quest to cash in, Related is pushing retailers to sign a five-year lease rather than the standard 10-year. That way the firm can constantly bring in new tenants at higher rents.

    There seems to be no shortage of willing retailers.

    One French sportswear company is desperate to open its first U.S. store at Columbus Circle, Mr. Hudson says. “I just need to make space available for them.”

    And some existing tenants want more space.

    Waiting list

    “J. Crew would like to expand, but there's no room,” says Robert Futterman, founder of retail broker Robert K. Futterman & Associates. He adds that “every specialty [retailer] that competes with J. Crew, Armani A|X and Coach wants to be there.”

    Wolford and Bebe are The Shops' newest arrivals, and Swarovski and True Religion will open locations there this spring.

    But Related Cos. doesn't want to turn the center into a replica of Madison and Fifth avenues.

    “You can't become just a harbor for pure luxury,” Mr. Hudson says, pointing to the center's one local business, New York Running Co. “The owner—we love him—is a marathoner and has a real connection with New Yorkers,” Mr. Hudson says. “He's a unique tenant who helps us be able to say that we're not just a mall.”

    Related now wants to build on its success at Time Warner Center, where it also developed the office, hotel and residential space.

    The company wants to command two of the city's biggest upcoming projects: Moynihan Station and the Hudson Rail Yards. It has already received rights from the state, along with Vornado Realty Trust, to develop the station. It is vying for rights to the 26-acre rail yards site.

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    Time Warner Center is New York's retail, office and residential mecca

    BY JASON SHEFTELL
    DAILY NEWS REAL ESTATE CORRESPONDENT
    Friday, March 28th 2008, 4:00 AM

    People scurry around with walkie-talkies while French teenagers bop their heads in the Jazz Center. Diners at the nation's most expensive restaurant shell out $400 for the "no-menu, whatever-the-chef-wants-to-cook" culinary experience.

    An employee tends to the fresh orchids (on which $80,000 is spent annually) in the 51st-floor residents' lounge. A couple argue over carrots or zucchini in Whole Foods' produce section. Dogs on leashes hop on escalators. So goes 24 hours in the life of the Time Warner Center (TWC).

    With 40,000 people pouring through its halls daily, and shoppers spending an average $78 per visit, the TWC has become more than a New York City icon. It has become a profit center for retailers and residents, a life-changing convenience for neighbors and a mecca for jazz fans and food lovers.

    "The Time Warner Center is one of the best things that might have ever happened to me," says Sara Beth Shrager, a 25-year local walking through the center on her way to Equinox, the health club in the building's North Tower. "I'm here all the time because there is no place where I can get all of these things at once."

    In addition to helping raise retail rents in the surrounding area 400% since 2004, the TWC spawned construction of at least eight residential retail condominium developments in a five-block radius, including 15 Central Park West, the building with the most expensive apartments per square foot ($6,000) in New York City.

    More importantly, it silenced critics who said New Yorkers would never shop in a mall. In the four years since it opened, the $2.5 billion, 2.8-million-square-feet center has created a new neighborhood and interior-based culinary, retail and cultural destination.

    "A lot of developers tried to do a mixed-use project in New York, but they never put the product mix together the right way," says Kenneth A. Himmel, president and CEO of Related Urban, the subsidiary of the Related Companies responsible for getting the Time Warner Center off the ground and managing it today. "In this case, it was filling the hole in the city's West Side, joining subway systems with pedestrian movement, and taking the entertainment industry to the north and south, the office workers and neighborhood residents, and building something that becomes the nucleus or portal for all of these things."

    The Retail: Called the Great Room, the atrium lobby of the TWC is an 85-foot-wide, 120-foot- deep, 10,000-square-foot space with a 150-foot glass wall overlooking Columbus Circle. It invites people in off the street.

    "It's no accident that the escalators going to the retail and restaurant floors are lined up directly with both sidewalks on 59th St.," says Himmel. He praises the architect, Howard Elkus, who worked to give shoppers architecturally inspiring views from all angles of the rising arcade. "We could have made a lot of money off that area. It's prime-time, sellable empty space that goes four stories high. But we had to create a sense of place. Once you do that, everything around it becomes more valuable."

    For Borders bookstore, J. Crew, Esprit, Eileen Fisher and Williams-Sonoma, the TWC stores have the most sales per square foot in the country. Continuing to increase the depth and quality of the merchandise available, fine jeweler Swarovski and denim-maker True Religion will open stores within months. The True Religion branch will be its first New York location.

    "We're designing the layout of the center similar to the top emporiums or department stores in big cities of the past," says Webber Hudson, who oversees the retail mix in the TWC. "Our first floor is geared toward the more affluent consumer, with our second floor more contemporary and younger. Borders and Whole Foods stay inviting for everyone."

    The Residences: Homes in the building sell for $7 million to $60 million. Since the building opened, TWC four-bedrooms have increased in price by 127%. Some apartments have doubled in value. Ricky Martin, Kelly Ripa, Bob Costas, Jimmy Buffett and Jay-Z and Beyoncé have called the Residences at the Time Warner Center home.

    Real estate marketing legend Louise Sunshine, who handled the marketing for the project, trademarked the phrase "Five-Star Living" to explain the feeling of owning an apartment in a TWC tower. One of the first projects to combine hotel amenities in a mixed-use facility, the 66 condominiums in the North Tower and 134 in the South Tower started the mass movement in real estate toward new high-end construction projects.

    "We watched the movement of wealth transfer from the East Side to the West Side," says David Wine, president of Related Residential, who built, marketed and sold the condos. "This redefined the New York luxury apartment."

    Currently, a resident is finishing a 14,000-square-foot duplex with a wading pool. The building continues to set New York City real estate records.
    "This building still trades among the highest prices in the city," says Corcoran Sunshine Marketing Group CEO Kelly Mack, who worked peripherally with Sunshine on the project and today runs the biggest new condo sales and marketing company in the world. "The resale values are extraordinary. There's no doubt it reestablished the entire West Side of Manhattan."

    The Night Life: The Restaurant and Bar Collection on the fourth floor includes Per Se, one of America's top-rated restaurants, and Masa, the country's most expensive restaurant. Landmarc, a bistro, does $1 million per month in business. The Mandarin Oriental hotel, which starts at the 35th floor of the North Tower, has a lobby lounge with 16-foot windows overlooking Central Park.

    Porter House New York, a steak restaurant, has a constant buzz, with big groups enjoying the large space between tables in the dining room.

    "I like being in a big location that welcomes people," says Michael Lomonaco, the restaurant's chef/owner, who opened Windows of the World at the World Trade Center. "We share the constant hum of activity that runs through this place."

    The Culture: Within the complex, Jazz at Lincoln Center holds a 1,233-seat concert hall with hydraulic seating boxes that can change the shape of the stage, a 427-seat theater with a wall of glass looking out toward Central Park South, daily classes for children, a jazz Hall of Fame and Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola — a jazz club open seven days a week from 7:30 p.m. till 2 a.m.

    Norah Jones performed in Dizzy's last week at a 90th-birthday party for Marian McPartland. Basketball great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the audience. Trumpet player Wynton Marsalis, Jazz at Lincoln Center's director, stops in all the time. Shows cost $30, with discounts for students. Patrons from Japan, France, Italy, Germany and the Netherlands are as common here as New Yorkers.

    "This is a down-and-dirty jazz club in the sky," says club manager Roland Chassagne, who explained that, for acoustic purposes, the entire jazz facility was built as a separate building within the Time Warner Center towers. "Don't let the clean part or the pretty views fool you."

    The Future: After the success of the TWC, the Related Companies is building similar projects for Los Angeles and Phoenix.
    In Los Angeles, The Grand combines two residential towers (by renowned architect Frank Gehry) with an escalating podium of outdoor restaurants highlighted by terraces, courtyards, canopies and gardens, all with views of Gehry's Walt Disney Concert Hall across the street.

    CityNorth, just northeast of Phoenix proper, is a 144-acre, grid-based project. In its center will be a boulevard of shops and restaurants that stem from pavilions. Mist will fall from bougainvillea flower beds to cool shoppers on hot desert days.

    "There are not many people reaching to do the things we're doing," says Related's Himmel. "Cities will hopefully be better off because of it."

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    fresh orchids (on which $80,000 is spent annually)
    Around 1700/week on flowers. What a disgusting f***ked up waste and what a twisted world. Other people are selling their kidneys for that much. Human society is doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy View Post
    Around 1700/week on flowers. What a disgusting f***ked up waste and what a twisted world. Other people are selling their kidneys for that much. Human society is doomed.
    Oh gawd.

    Communism didn't work. Give it up.

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    Oh please with the communist BS. Grow up and see things as a human being once in a while instead of a bean counting scrooge. You're the one in the past. I'm hardly a communist, I'm simply human enough to recognize when society has priorities all screwed up. No one is against flowers, but 1700 a week? Even a shallow minded capitalist pig should see an opportunity for more sensibility than that.

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    ^^^ Methinks the gardeners whose jobs depend on having those orchids to tend to would disagree.

    I mean, I'm willing to wager most of that $80,000 is labor costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy View Post
    I'm hardly a communist...


    Even a shallow minded capitalist pig.

    Nice little figure eight you just ran there. Keep it up!

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    Communist and Capitalist are the only options?

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    Shoot!

    I was all set to start raising orchids, but Hamilton burst that bubble.

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    Time Warner Center is great.

    But if you want Japanese food for one/tenth of what you would pay at Masa, and quality-wise in the same ballpark, head for LA.

    The total cost for dinner will be the same, though, but will include the flight...

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    I'm heading out to LA at the end of the month ....

    Can you give some good suggestions for great Japanese food out that way?

    (The moderators might prefer if it were done in a separate thread -- or you could PM the info to me.)

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    Hamilton said:
    Methinks the gardeners whose jobs depend on having those orchids to tend to would disagree.

    I mean, I'm willing to wager most of that $80,000 is labor costs.
    You'd lose that bet, Hamilton. In fact, the ridiculous prices are more likely the result of a flower industry that's based on unsustainable practices.

    In fact most cut flowers are grown in South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia in huge greenhouses staffed by underpaid, non-unionized workers. Expensive climate control mechanisms, heavy spraying of pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides, and transporting them halfway across the globe are the big, wasteful, destructive expenses that are figured in, beyond of course the outrageous markups of the florists themselves.
    Furthermore, the desperate indigenous laborers that you think are a significant piece of the pie are paid next to nothing while working in countries that have very lax environmental laws, still using methyl bromide and DDT. The chemicals are entering the bodies of the workers, the flowers, and the groundwater.
    Let's not even get started on the shipping, which, not only adding into that $80,000, adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every step of the way.

    I have some simple advice for big shots at Time Warner Center and their admirers...arrangements composed of organic, locally produced flowers and foliage can be just as lovely and won't cost nearly as much, or be nearly so destructive in impact.

    As much as we talk and read about building "Green" architecture on this forum, I saw nothing wrong with pointing out the wastefulness and irony of $1700 a week on tropical flowers that may as well originate from a country where that is more than the price for a human organ. So yes, it gives pause if one actually thinks about it, and yes, it makes me question the sanity of it all. So sue me.

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    So Hamilton's post wasn't sarcasm?

    Fooled me.

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    ^now that's sarcasm.

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    Weird discussion. Never seen anyone get so worked up about flowers.

    In reality, all those greedy, corporate bigwigs probably couldn't care less what flowers ended up in the lobby. Building management picks them because they're a superior product. Their quality reflects the building's quality.

    Besides, the residents probably more than make up the difference in "lost kidneys" with philanthropy.

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