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Thread: Javits Center Expansion (& Cancelled Jets Stadium)

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    That is an ugly looking plaza in an ugly looking area. At least they both have something in common. Ugly.



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    Looks like ugly Stonehenge will be turned into a hotel and ball room

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    The Pei building really has not aged very well.

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    April 4, 2006
    Latest Plan to Expand Javits Center Draws Critics
    By CHARLES V. BAGLI

    The largest exhibition at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center is the New York International Auto Show, which is set to open in 10 days and is expected to draw more than 1.2 million visitors.

    It is already an expensive show to put on, but its producers are worried that in future years it will cost much more. That is because the latest design to expand the Javits center, expected to win state approval tomorrow, would make setting up and removing exhibits more difficult and more expensive.

    Some critics contend that the design, which would add about 340,000 square feet of exhibition space, is being rushed through the approval process despite concerns that it would not provide enough room to attract larger trade shows and conventions. Others are unhappy that much of that expansion would be vertical.

    "We're concerned," said Mark Schienberg, president of the Greater New York Dealers Association, which sponsors the auto show. "We're taking a look at it because it's a crucial part of what we do. Going vertical makes it different and challenging."

    Senator Charles E. Schumer is another critic, saying: "No one is terribly enthusiastic about this plan because it won't attract the largest and most lucrative shows to New York. For a few hundred million dollars more, we could achieve the kind of convention center that would achieve that goal."

    But state officials are looking for ways to pare the cost, which has swelled to $1.7 billion from the $1.4 billion estimate in December 2004, when the Legislature approved expanding the center.

    Michael Petralia, the president of the Javits Development Corporation, said that the design was still a work in progress as the corporation tried to address problems like security.

    "There are unique challenges to having a convention center in the middle of an urban setting," he said yesterday. "We believe we're creating an expansion that will work from a functional, architectural, community and security standpoint."

    The tourism industry has largely embraced the project. While some in the industry share the concerns about its size and layout, they do not want to risk a delay.

    "When you consider the difficulty in building a project of this scale and the fact we've been working on it for 10 years, this is a project that needs to happen now to secure the travel and tourism as one of the dominant businesses in New York City," said Jonathan M. Tisch, chairman of the city's convention and visitor's bureau, NYC & Company.

    The Javits Center sits on the west side of 11th Avenue between 34th and 38th Streets. Under the current plan, the center would expand to 40th Street, bringing the total amount of exhibition space to 1.1 million square feet from 760,000 square feet, while adding 180,000 square feet of meeting room space. There are also plans for a hotel on the east side of 11th Avenue, between 35th and 36th Streets.

    But the plan calls for less contiguous exhibition space and fewer meeting rooms than the original proposal approved by the Legislature in December 2004. Its most controversial element involves selling the center's current marshaling yard for trucks and building a six-story garage at the north end for loading and unloading.

    Critics say that the large tractor-trailers that move exhibits, cars and boats in and out of the center will find it hard to navigate the corkscrew roadway in the garage.

    After reviewing the garage design, John F. O'Connell Jr., the executive vice president and chief operating officer of Freeman, a contractor that produces 80 percent of the expositions at the Javits, concluded that moving shows in and out would cost more and take days longer.

    "The design will lower productivity and increase costs substantially," said Mr. O'Connell, whose company handles the auto show.

    Robert Boyle, the former chairman of the Javits operating corporation, called the proposed design "fatally flawed." Mr. Boyle was removed from his post by Gov. George E. Pataki in December 2005 after clashing with the administration over the expansion plans.

    Anna Levin, a member of Community Board 4 who sits on an advisory panel for the Javits Center, objected to the headlong rush to approve the project plan, which she regarded as inadequate.

    "They're doing what they can with the money they have," she said, "but it's going to result in something second-rate."

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    Uh-oh. Maybe this ISN'T the best way to go ..
    Quote Originally Posted by Kris

    Latest Plan to Expand Javits Center Draws Critics

    ... After reviewing the garage design, John F. O'Connell Jr., the executive vice president and chief operating officer of Freeman, a contractor that produces 80 percent of the expositions at the Javits, concluded that moving shows in and out would cost more and take days longer.

    "The design will lower productivity and increase costs substantially," said Mr. O'Connell, whose company handles the auto show.

    Robert Boyle, the former chairman of the Javits operating corporation, called the proposed design "fatally flawed." Mr. Boyle was removed from his post by Gov. George E. Pataki in December 2005 after clashing with the administration over the expansion plans.

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    Long-Delayed Projects To Get A Pataki Push


    By DAVID LOMBINO
    May 10, 2006

    Governor Pataki will use the last six months of his term to push for expanding the Javits Convention Center and turning the Farley Post Office into Moynihan Station, $2.5 billion worth of long-delayed development projects on the West Side of Manhattan.

    "We want to begin this year," the state's leading development official, Charles Gargano, told The New York Sun.

    Delays for both projects have been measured in years rather than months, but both plans are scheduled for final public hearings in the next three weeks.


    Although financing is already in place, the projects require approval from the Public Authorities Control Board - which includes representatives of the Governor Pataki, the Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, and the State Senate majority leader, Joseph Bruno. The legislative leaders used their positions on the board to block last year's plans for a West Side stadium.

    Spokesmen for both Mr. Silver and Mr. Bruno yesterday expressed support for expanding the convention center, but said the Moynihan Station plan was still being reviewed.

    The $1.7 billion expansion of the Javits center would make New York's convention center the fifth biggest in the country - up from the 19th spot - and has the support of Mayor Bloomberg, the City Council speaker, Christine Quinn, and several business and tourism groups.

    But the plan has also encountered its share of critics, including Senator Schumer, who called the plan too small and too expensive.

    The current plan will extend the center north along 11th Avenue one block to 40th Street, and will increase exhibit and meeting room space to more than 1.3 million square feet. Much of the additional square footage will be achieved by building another floor on top of the existing structure. The state is also planning to sell an entire city block to the south of the center for private commercial and residential development to generate additional project funds, and move the truck marshalling yards to the center's northern end. The plan includes a 1,500-room hotel nearby.

    The Municipal Art Society, which opposes the Javits expansion, filed a lawsuit last week to halt the plan. The plaintiffs, who include neighborhood groups, claim the state failed to update the environmental impact statement.

    Other planning advocates have said the expansion plan, which will largely be upward, will leave the center with an awkward configuration for conventioneers who prefer contiguous space. There are also questions whether the block to the south will generate as much money as the state has predicted.

    A spokesman for the Regional Plan Association, Jeremy Soffin, said that none of the project's flaws are necessarily "fatal", but he said that the most recent design seems to cost more but accomplish less.

    "It is worrisome that the cost is going up and the final product is getting decreasingly effective at solving the original problem," Mr. Soffin said. "If you think long term, you really need to think about moving Javits altogether. It sits on some of the most valuable real estate in the world."

    Mr. Gargano, the chairman of the state agency shepherding the project through the approval process, said that Javits' lack of space forces the city to turn away between 50 and 60 shows a year. He said a vertical expansion is "much, much cheaper" than expanding to the north - which would require buying a bus garage from the Metropolitan Transit Authority for an estimated $600 million.

    Mr. Gargano said the vertical configuration would work "as long as there are enough escalators and elevators."

    Even if Mr. Pataki is able to win the necessary approvals and begin preparation work on both the Javits Center and Moynihan Station, there is no guarantee the next governor will not block or revise the plans.

    The first designs for Moynihan Station, an expansion of Pennsylvania Station into the Farley Post Office across the street, were drawn up in 1992. Plans have been delayed by the September 11th attacks and drawn-out negotiations with the Post Office over site acquisition, among other factors.

    The latest designs, rendered by architect David Childs, were released last month. The plan, estimated at about $880 million, is for new train halls for New Jersey Transit and Long Island Railroad, a post office, and a mixed-use development that could include a hotel, big box stores and restaurants. The commercial portion will be developed by two of the city's most active developers, the Related Companies and Vornado Realty Trust.

    Penn Station is currently the busiest transportation hub in America, with about 550,000 people daily, and the dark, dingy underground labyrinth is calling out for renovation or demolition.

    A public hearing over Moynihan Station is scheduled for June 1, according to Mr. Gargano.

    The owners of Madison Square Garden have expressed some interest in moving into the back portion of the post office, along 9th Avenue. Mr. Gargano said yesterday that the sports arena could be added to the project after the current plans are approved.

    Amtrak has not agreed to move to Moynihan Station from Penn Station, which Mr. Gargano said was a disappointment.


    © 2006 The New York Sun, One SL, LLC.

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    So it seems they are not going Northward with the expansion because of the MTA parking garage. Now in the article it says that it would cost the city 600 million to buy the garage. Considering the MTA was going to sell the air-rights for a four square block area to the JETS for 200 million, doesn't it seem to anyone that this is some serious BS going on between the MTA and city? The MTA is not a private company... it is supposed to be run for the benefit of the city, not screw it over. So why are the charging us double the price for 1/4 the area?

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    ^ Most likely because they have their own budget shortfalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfgam
    Considering the MTA was going to sell the air-rights for a four square block area to the JETS for 200 million, doesn't it seem to anyone that this is some serious BS going on between the MTA and city? The MTA is not a private company... it is supposed to be run for the benefit of the city, not screw it over. So why are the charging us double the price for 1/4 the area?
    The Quill Bus Depot is currently utilized by MTA and stores a significant amount of the buses used for their Manhattan routes. I would imagine that the cost of "buying" the bus depot involves more than just the real estate, but also the costs MTA would incur by having to find and construct a replacement facility. In the mid-90s, the MTA spent $120 million renovating the depot. An interesting piece of trivia about the bus depot is that it is named after Michael Quill, the founding member of the TWU who led the 12-day transit strike in 1966.

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    that depot, its second biggest in Manhattan and is more important to them then the rail yards, thus the higher cost. To save money the hotel should be axed from the plan, since two developers already want to build large hotels in the area, why should the State build one as well??

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    Metro NY

    Letting a thousand projects bloom

    by amy zimmer / metro new york

    exerpt...

    MAY 17, 2006

    The Empire State Development Corporation is involved in more development projects today than ever before. ESDC Chairman Charles Gargano talked to Metro about the expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, Moynihan Station and other ongoing projects.

    Some worry Javits wonít be big enough to attract large conventions.

    Iíd like to have conversations with these people, because itís easier when you can talk one-to-one on the facts. We are number 18 or something in the country right now, but when this Phase 1 expansion is completed we will be number 5 or 6. We will be doubling the size of a center that was poorly designed, in our opinion, and was not capable of handling conventions. [We have] boat shows and auto shows that bring people in for three hours. Conventions bring people in for three days minimum. [They] stay here and thereís an economic multiplier such as hotel rooms, Broadway shows, restaurants, etc. I have been told that we turn away every year more than 50 shows that we canít accommodate.

    Anything going on at Hudson Yards?

    Thatís the cityís vision. I think that the Hudson Yards is something that should be developed in the future whenever the market calls for it. Itís a tremendous loss for New York not having the Jets stadium built because we could have accommodated not only a football team but also used it as an annex for Javits. So we had a loss because of, in my opinion, the selfish attitude of some competitors who didnít want competition.

    In 10 years what will New York look like?

    Better than ever. You will see a built World Trade Center, including the new memorial and the new transit hub. You will see a new Javits, the new Moynihan Station. Youíll see a thriving Queens West with tall residential towers. Youíll see Atlantic Yards completed. Youíll see a new Yankee Stadium. A new Mets stadium. New buildings for Bank of America and Goldman Sachs. Brooklyn Bridge Park completed. We will have our waterfronts cleaned up with parks.

    Michael P. Ventura also contributed to this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyO
    Chairman Charles Gargano talked to Metro about the expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center ...

    ... It’s a tremendous loss for New York not having the Jets stadium built because we could have accommodated not only a football team but also used it as an annex for Javits. So we had a loss because of, in my opinion, the selfish attitude of some competitors who didn’t want competition.
    Gargano is till crying over that boondoggle?

    The Dolans / Cablevision indeed helped to kill the stadium, but it was a horrible project that deserved an early death -- and the benefits to the Javits center hardly over-rode the other complications that would have come with it.

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    Gargano seems to be a man with a knack for pointing the finger at others for failures around him.

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    Javits expansion passes another hurdle
    by Catherine Tymkiw -Crainsny

    The expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center moved another step closer to reaching fruition after the Javits Operating Corp. gave its nod of approval for the $1.2 billion plan.

    The green light came two days after a crucial public hearing brought praise for the plan, which would create more than 6,000 permanent jobs and more than 15,000 construction-related jobs.

    A bigger Javits Center is expected to generate about $47 million in incremental annual revenue for the city and state on top of the current $97 million generated by the convention center.

    The expansion would create a total of 1.1 million square feet of exhibit space and 210,000 square feet of meeting space. The city's tourism agency, NYC & Company, applauded Thursday's approval.

    "We are now one step closer to having a state-of-the-art urban convention center that is worthy of our great city and worthy of the hardworking men and women who operate the Center," said NYC & Company Chairman Jonathan Tisch in a statement.

    The Empire State Development Corp. and the Public Authorities Control Board still have to give their OK before any work can get underway.

    NO LETS SEE IF SHELLY KILLS THIS LIKE HE DID THE NYSCC SINCE ITS NOTDOWNTOWN

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    It is unfortunate, however, that such a large relatively central area is devoted solely to buses.

    If you're thinking grandly, perhaps the city should put a layer of bus depot above the current railyards, then put development on top of that. That way you'd hide both of the (necessary, critical) transportation functions and still be able to use the land for development.

    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6
    that depot, its second biggest in Manhattan and is more important to them then the rail yards, thus the higher cost. To save money the hotel should be axed from the plan, since two developers already want to build large hotels in the area, why should the State build one as well??

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