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New stuff at West Side Hiway + West 34th ...
^ This is true. Some of the detailing is surprisingly nice.
Old v. New, yesterday at sunset ...
New stuff at West Side Hiway + West 34th ...
The issue isn't the design, it's the absolute waste of prime Midtown waterfront in favor of an (empty most of the time) lowrise glass shed.Originally Posted by BBMW
This needs to go to Long Island City pronto. The State should sell this land, and use the proceeds to build a new center in Queens. Like MSG, this property is a joke, and needs to be relocated.
What specifically would you want to see built in its place?
Let Hudson Yards get built first. There's also a lot of junk in the blocks east of Javitz that can get redeveloped.
I also don't think a convention center outside of Manhattan would be a big draw. To go to Queens (let's say Willets point for example, you can hold your convention in more interesting places (other cities), be right or near downtown, and have the whole thing cost less.
High density, determined by the market. Same as the rest of Midtown/Hudson Yards. And public waterfront access.
The State considered selling it under Spitzer.
Why wouldn't it be a big draw outside of Manhattan? Almost all convention centers are located in nowheresville. Chicago, LA, Orlando, Boston, DC, etc. all have their convention centers far from the main clusters of hotels and visitor attractions.
For example, in Chicago, the convention center is located about three miles south of the hotel district, and is surrounded by freeways, railroad tracks, and warehouses. There's absolutely nothing there.
And the convention center would never be built at Willets Point. That isn't part of the Willets Point master plan, and would make no sense. It would be built in Long Island City, close to all forms of transit, and next to the region's core.
Yeah, see here's the thing: tourists don't want to go to a convention center next to the region's core, they want to go to a convention center in the region's core. Bringing a convention center to Long Island City, Queens is a horrible idea.
Why?
For the convenience.
Are people that go to convention centers the same as tourists, who visit cities and have a list of things they want to do over a week or so? In their case, it would make sense to be right in the middle of things.
Seems to me that the majority of people that go to convention centers are primarily interested in the event. For the trade people, it's truck access and ease of delivery. For customers, it's transportation and hotels.
As ASchwarz mentioned, McCormick Place in Chicago is well outside "the core," south of Soldiers Field. It's near I-55 and railroad lines.
And how remote is Sunnyside from Midtown Manhattan?
Having been to the convention centers in other cities, like Chicago and Vegas, the Javits Center is just so dinky.
A good plan would be to open a world class convention center in LIC, and rebuild the Javits Center into a slightly smaller convention center/event space, the roof could have a park that would also access the riverfront, have the final spur of the High Line end there too. Maybe have 2 or 3 mixed use towers along its perimeter.
Maybe in another 30 years...
You run into the psychological barrier when water separates two areas.
I thought this metal was supposed to be perforated? (the first samples were) Looks like it's not gonna age very well...
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