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    I think the limitations of the area are represented by the fact that not a single hotel has sprung up within one block of the convention center over the years. Not one.

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    They need mass transit expansion AND they need to look ar how the whole system works (Ridership) and figure out how to streamline the whole thing. The more people can get on ONE train and ride it to their destination, the better.

    Also, some of the Local lines are absolutely outrageous with how close some of the stops are to each other.

    Agreed, that some of them are needed in the more crowded areas, but I believe there is one every 5 blocks on the 1 and 9 when you get downtown.

    Extensions on mass transit may be needed, as well as an easier way to get cross town besides riding all the way up the E, or the N and R (or F).

    But that is an entirely different subject, altogether.

    I think the Stadium idea is a COLOSSAL waste. You have so much more room IN NJ, and some room in the outer boroughs. Why does there have to be a stadium in traffic central? Oh yeah, people point out that traffic is nothing. Nothing until you see the backup caused coming into the Lincoln Tunnel after a Giants Game gets out. And no, that is not the only tie-up after or before a game at the Meadowlands.

    Anyway, point is, I still cannot understand what is taking the city so long to clean/convert some of this space into useable land. The things I see being needed, and eaten up in the city are mainly PROPERTIES. NYC is one of the most expensive places to buy or rent in the country, but yet we have areas just a few blocks away that are nothing but empty lots or old industrial yards.

    NYC needs more middle class housing (not project homes, not luxury condos) and it needs the commercial space to supply it.

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    C'mon, if this was proposed for the waterfront in Jersey, you'd be all for it, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge
    I think the Stadium idea is a COLOSSAL waste. You have so much more room IN NJ, and some room in the outer boroughs. Why does there have to be a stadium in traffic central? Oh yeah, people point out that traffic is nothing. Nothing until you see the backup caused coming into the Lincoln Tunnel after a Giants Game gets out. And no, that is not the only tie-up after or before a game at the Meadowlands.
    NJ does have a lot of open space - its one of the reasons the NETS may be moving to Brooklyn. Traffic at the tunnels on the weekend won't be anything new. Once again, the added attraction to the stadium (as with the NETS) will be that it's in the city, not the swamp. And this stadium will have something that the Meadowlands needs - rail service. Whatever the plans may be for that area in the future, it comes a bit too late...

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    BrooklynRider, you're wrong about the hotels. I know of at least 3 hotels that have recently been built near the Javits Center, with at least one more planned. Granted, these are smaller, low profile hotels (Red Roof Inn, Best Western, Hampton Inn or something).

    No major hotels have yet been built because there has been little need. The neighborhood is relatively isolated, with no subway service and little to offer besides the Javits Center. Why would Hilton build here if they could build in Times Square?

    Of course, the new subway line and overall Hudson Yards development will lead to a number of larger hotels. A huge hotel is already planned as part of the Javits Center expansion.

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    $2.2B Javits Plan Unveiled

    Expansion linked to stadium

    By Errol A. Cockfield Jr.
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    February 13, 2004

    Charles Gargano, chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation, Thursday unveiled details for expanding the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and linking it to a planned stadium and convention center for the Jets on Manhattan's West Side.

    The proposal would double space at Javits from 745,000 square-feet to 1.53 million square-feet, and add a ballroom, a key attraction for large conferences and meetings. The two projects, side by side, would give the city an enormous corridor for hospitality.

    "Let's face it, New York City's convention and meeting facilities have been inadequate for too long," Gargano said, during a luncheon speech in Brooklyn Thursday at the annual meeting of NYC & Company, the city's convention and visitors bureau.the city's convention and visitors bureau.

    Gargano said officials would not release a financing plan for the expansion for at least two months, but he projected the cost could reach $2.2 billion.

    Officials hope to break ground on the expansion's first phase by Spring 2005, just before the International Olympic Committee will decide whether New York or one of eight other cities would host the 2012 Olympics. The Javits expansion and the proposed Jets stadium are linchpins in the city's Olympic bid.

    The center's current footprint stands from 34th to 39th streets, between 11th and 12th avenues. The first phase -- a six year project -- would take it north to 40th Street and south to 33rd Street. The second phase would then extend the convention center north to 42nd Street.

    The limitations of the convention center, which opened in 1986, have hurt the city's efforts to draw signature events. Last year, the city lost 63 major events because of the Javits Center's tight size, representing an estimated $1 billion in missed economic activity, according to the convention and visitor's bureau.

    Jonathan Tisch, chairman of NYC & Company's board of directors, said the Javits expansion and the new stadium will increase convention space more than tenfold.

    "It will allow New York to offer an unparalleled package to attract major events," he said.

    His announcement came a day after Daniel Doctoroff, Deputy Mayor for Economic Development, released a $2.77 billion plan for a far West Side redevelopment that would feature a stadium and convention center for the Jets football team as its centerpiece.

    While the financing for that plan is separate from the Javits expansion, both facilities would be connected. Jets president L. Jay Cross said both will host gatherings depending on an event's size, but attendees will not know the difference.

    "It will be seamless," he said. "People will walk back and forth and never be aware they're walking from one building to another."

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    March 2, 2004

    Javits Center Expansion Overshadowed by Stadium Debate

    By CHARLES V. BAGLI


    The Javits Convention Center is represented by light orange, with the proposed Jets stadium, left, and the planned expansion of the center both in darker orange.

    Almost from the day the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center opened in 1986 on the West Side of Manhattan, hotel and tourism executives have lobbied to expand it to attract more conventions and trade shows, and with them the patrons who will book rooms, eat at restaurants and attend Broadway shows.

    Eighteen years later, the state and the city are on the verge of announcing a $1.4 billion renovation and addition to the convention center. But that plan is entangled with a proposal to build a $1.4 billion stadium for the Jets between 30th and 34th Streets, on the south side of the center. Both are crucial elements of the city's plans for the West Side and its bid for the 2012 Summer Olympic Games.

    While the stadium has come under fire from elected officials and West Side residents, as well as Broadway theater owners, the expansion of the convention center has generally received positive reviews. The Jets say they have designed a stadium that would also provide 200,000 square feet of exhibition space usable for conventions.

    "The goal is to create one unique competitive convention corridor," Deputy Mayor Daniel L. Doctoroff said, referring to the plans for the center and the stadium. "It'll be able to compete effectively for any major event, trade show or convention held in the United States."

    A new 184-page report by PriceWaterhouseCoopers, which was commissioned by the Javits Convention Center, indicates that nearly doubling the center's size to 1.34 million square feet would attract half a million more visitors, 18 to 20 new trade shows and conventions, and nearly $700 million in additional business a year. But the report does not mention the stadium, a reflection of political and economic tensions.

    Behind the scenes, some Javits executives, hotel executives and trade show producers have questioned how well the stadium would function with the convention center. More broadly, some economists say that the PriceWaterhouse projections may be too optimistic, given that the trade show industry is suffering from an oversupply of space and lower demand.

    "The experience in recent years indicates that the expansion of major convention centers doesn't necessarily mean any increase in business," said Heywood Sanders, professor of public administration at the University of Texas in San Antonio. "Convention centers are discounting rates and providing incentives, or literally giving away space for free."

    Last month, Charles A. Gargano, chairman of the Javits development corporation, formally announced that the state supported both projects. The cost of the expanded center would be covered by a hotel tax, cash from the city and refinancing of the center's debt.

    The PriceWaterhouse report envisions an expansion from 38th Street north to 42nd Street, where there would be a hotel and ballroom, but the first phase would extend only to 40th Street, providing more contiguous exhibition space and 235,00 square feet of meeting space.

    In the past, because of its relatively small size and lack of meeting rooms, the center has had difficulty attracting conventions and medical associations, whose attendees spend the most on hotels, restaurants and entertainment. The report shows that annual attendance is down from its peak in 1997, but PriceWaterhouse concluded that the addition would draw trade shows that do not currently come to New York, as well as larger conventions and professional associations. It warned, however, that while many large trade shows and association meetings have a big economic impact, they also bargain hard for discounts.

    The center does well despite its size, high labor costs and the city's high hotel rates, the report concludes, because New York is a highly attractive international city in a region with a shortage of exhibition space.

    Business leaders like Jonathan M. Tisch, chief executive of Loews Hotels and chairman of the city's convention and visitors bureau, have supported the expansion project because it would put "heads on beds" and draw other tourist business.

    Not everyone, however, agrees that the stadium counts as an expansion of the convention space, even though it could be converted into an exhibition hall. Although the stadium has been described by Mr. Doctoroff as "the southern expansion of the Javits," L. Jay Cross, president of the Jets, was more modest.

    "We're not saying this is the Javits expansion that they've been waiting for all these many years," Mr. Cross said. "It is a midsize, full-service exhibition hall that will serve as ancillary space for the Javits or stand on its own."

    Brandishing letters from two trade show producers, Mr. Cross said there was enough demand from conventions and exhibitions that he could easily book 40 events annually, generating an estimated $38 million in tax revenue. The stadium would be connected to the center by an underground tunnel.

    St. Louis is one of only three cities in the country that operate a convention center in conjunction with a stadium. The St. Louis complex, the Americas Center, is connected to a domed stadium by a short hallway. Bruce T. Sommer, its director, said he books 5 to 10 trade shows a year into the stadium, 4 religious conventions and about 5 consumer shows, as well as concerts and other sporting events. "Major trade shows do not like noncontiguous space," Mr. Sommer said. "No matter how you break it up, one piece will be better than another piece."

    Among those who are not sold on the Jets stadium as a convention center is George F. Little II, whose company produces 17 shows a year at the Javits center. Mr. Little said a stadium would be no substitute for an expanded convention center, although he might book the stadium for certain events.

    Mark Schienberg, president of the Greater New York Auto Dealers Association, said: "The stadium is a good-sized space to work with." But the primary need is to get the Javits expanded as much as possible."

    Walter Mankoff, chairman of Community Board 4, whose district covers the West Side, described the stadium as an expensive project that would require $600 million in public subsidies. He said he doubted that it would do much convention business, but argued that it would bring traffic congestion and pollution.

    "We do not agree on every detail, but we agree that the convention center needs an expansion and would be extremely helpful to the New York economy," Mr. Mankoff said. "We don't think the stadium is a proper expansion."

    But even those who support expanding the center worry that the city is pushing harder for the stadium, which would require state legislation.

    The expansion of the convention center is "the single most important public investment that the city and state can make," said Kathryn S. Wylde, president of the Partnership for New York City. "If a legislative package is not introduced in the next couple of weeks, we'll lose yet another year in what has been a tortuous, decade-long process."

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    March 6, 2004

    Gridiron on the Hudson? Block That Play! (2 Letters)

    To the Editor:

    Re "Javits Center Expansion Overshadowed by Stadium Debate" (news article, March 2):

    To tie up several viable Manhattan blocks with monolithic structures that will only support conventions and sports events ignores the lessons learned from the urban renewal era, when intricate blocks of varied uses were cleared for sterile and generally single-function complexes in cities across the United States.

    One need only to look at the barren sidewalks that surround the present Javits Center to get a sense of what either or both these projects would add to the West Side.

    The city would be better off developing these blocks with a mix of apartments, offices, retail and institutional space — uses that will draw people at all times of the day, week and year and be of greater value to a broader range of city residents and visitors.

    DANIEL CAMPO
    Philadelphia, March 2, 2004
    The writer is a lecturer in the department of city and regional planning, University of Pennsylvania.



    To the Editor:

    As an architect, I am baffled and dismayed by our elected officials' relentless pursuit of a tax-subsidized Jets stadium on the West Side, this time couched with the Javits Center expansion (news article, March 2).

    It represents the poorest urban planning of valuable New York real estate on the Hudson River that I can recall, as it does nothing for the waterfront or the neighborhood.

    No one I have ever spoken to in all of the years of this proposal's existence has ever expressed anything positive about it, and all shrug it off as just another example of government graft.

    If our elected officials wish to accomplish something commendable, they should use those resources for completion of the Second Avenue subway.

    This would keep the construction crews employed and spur more economic development in the private sector, and the residents would reap the commuting benefits. Is that too much to ask?

    WILLIAM FIGDOR
    Maplewood, N.J., March 2, 2004

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    blah, blah, blah, blah....Aren't they going to stop complaining and build something! :x

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    I am sorry, but as a resident of a major city with major traffic problems, Washington DC, I can tell you that building a stadium in the middle of the city will NOT be a traffic problem. People aren't stupid. They know that they cannot drive into the city for a game like they could in a suburban stadium. For example, they is never traffic for ANY major sports games or major concerts at the MCI Center in DC though it is in the heart of the city. Why? Because it was built over a subway station. On the other hand, the new Redskins stadium that was selfishly built by the old owner in the suburbs of Maryland has Major traffic problems simply because there is no other way to get there than to drive.
    Please, stop thinking that this new Jets stadium will bring traffic problems, because it won't.

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    Jets Get Museum If City Gridiron Rises On 33rd St.

    by Blair Golson

    On the latest act of the mayor’s West Side development drama, the New York Jets are pursuing talks with several cultural institutions to build a museum and performing-arts theater at the base of their proposed stadium there, The Observer has learned.

    According to team officials, the Jets are particularly interested in partnering with the Queens-based New York Hall of Science to create a "Science of Sport" museum.

    "We’ve been considering for some time how to incorporate other community uses into the facility, and in the past few weeks we decided on a theater and a museum," said Matthew Higgins, vice president for strategic planning with the Jets.

    Restaurant and retail space will also be added to the eastern side of the stadium, in a bid to make the face of the stadium more friendly to neighbors who imagine a windswept canyon on non-game days.

    Mr. Higgins’ comments, along with the team’s decision to add ground-level cultural space to the facility, come as the Jets are under fire from community groups, elected officials and business leaders, who claim that the proposed 75,000-seat stadium will discourage, rather than attract, street life on non-game days. The issue is critical because the Jets and the Bloomberg administration claim that the stadium will act as a catalyst for the redevelopment of the far West Side.

    "Trying to dress the stadium up in some fashion does not in any way obfuscate the real issue," said Gerald Schoenfeld, chairman of the Shubert Organization, which owns 17 of some 35 Broadway theaters. Mr. Schoenfeld and many theater owners have been among the stadium’s vocal opponents. "Is a stadium the right use in this part of New York? My answer is no," he said.

    The proposed stadium is located on a stretch of M.T.A.-owned railyards from 30th to 33rd streets, between 11th Avenue and the Hudson River. The museum and theater will be located on the western, waterfront side of the facility. Mr. Higgins said the museum would probably be around 10,000 to 15,000 square feet, and the theater would have 199 seats. He also said the eastern side of the stadium, along 11th Avenue, would contain between 10,000 and 20,000 square feet of ground-level retail or restaurants.

    Officially called the New York Sports and Convention Center, the stadium will double as expansion space for the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, which lies one block to the north. In addition, the NYSCC would host the 2012 Olympic games in the case of a successful American bid. The Jets have pledged to pay $800 million for the construction of the stadium, and the city and state will contribute $600 million for a deck above the railyards at the site, in addition to a retractable roof and an air-conditioning system.

    The NYSCC has emerged as the most contentious aspect of the Bloomberg administration’s plan to redevelop the Hudson Yards district. Jets and city officials estimate that the stadium will generate $75 million in economic benefits to the city, largely from tourists and visitors who attend the facility’s convention shows. But many critics argue that the stadium will prove a poor convention hall, and will generate far less revenue for the city than is being claimed. In December, the Jets dropped plans to construct the area in such a way that it could serve as an arena—to host events like medium-sized concerts—which fueled criticism that the stadium will prove even less of an economic boon to the city.

    Bloomberg administration officials maintain that the stadium will prove a magnet for development and pedestrian traffic in the area. The Jets’ decision to add cultural and retail elements to the stadium is an attempt to buttress that claim.

    "This is another way to get the message out that this facility is going to serve many uses beyond a stadium," said Mr. Higgins. "In fact, the majority of uses won’t be stadium-related."

    At least at first glance, however, that argument doesn’t seem to have much traction among the local officials opposed to the stadium.

    "This is just window-dressing," said Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, who represents the area. "You can dress up a monstrosity, but it’s still a monstrosity."

    The Jets’ decision drew praise, however, from the city’s tourism bureau, NYC and Company, whose president, Cristyne Nicholas, said that coupling the stadium with cultural offerings will help to make the far West Side a tourist destination. The Municipal Arts Society, one the city’s most respected urban-planning organizations—which has yet to take a formal position on the stadium in general—said that anything that encouraged street life around the facility would be a welcome addition.

    Eric Siegel, director of planning and program development at the New York Hall of Science in Queens, said the Jets first contacted him about a week ago with the idea of opening a branch at the NYSCC.

    "It looks like a very attractive space, and we could imagine a facility that would be about the science of sports that would fit their goal of making a community and visitor destination," said Mr. Siegel. "There’s a lot of great science in sports."

    Mr. Siegel said the museum and the Jets are still in a very preliminary phase of their talks. At the earliest, the stadium wouldn’t open before 2009. (Incidentally, the Hall of Science is located in Flushing Meadows Corona Park—the very site many activists are pushing as an alternative for the construction of the Olympic stadium.)

    The Jets are also carving out between 10,000 and 20,000 square feet of retail space on the eastern side of the stadium. According to real-estate agents, that’s about enough room for a Pottery Barn and an Anne Klein Store. The theater the Jets are proposing will have 199 seats. That puts it in the league of a very small Off Broadway or community theater. Mr. Schoenfeld, of the Shubert Organization, said that such theaters can be difficult to sustain economically, as their small size prevents them from incorporating the infrastructure necessary to support multi-set performances.

    Mr. Higgins didn’t dispute that claim, but pointed to the lack of performance space in the city to support the team’s choice.

    "Community theater is an integral part of the theater industry in New York, and such space is in short supply," he said. "It’s unfortunate that Schoenfeld doesn’t see the need for it—but we do."

    You may reach Blair Golson via email at: bgolson@observer.com.

    This column ran on page 1 in the 3/15/2004 edition of The New York Observer.

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    Good, most new developments should have to have cultrural, as well as retail, space.

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    March 16, 2004

    Jets Campaign for a Manhattan Stadium

    By CHARLES V. BAGLI

    The Jets are pressing hard to win the hearts and minds of New Yorkers for the team's proposed $1.4 billion stadium that would rise over the rail yards on the far west side of Midtown Manhattan.

    In the latest round of barroom presentations, breakfast talks, Jets fests-in-the-park, endorsements and deals, some of the city's most prominent union leaders are expected to announce their support for the stadium on Thursday at a noontime news conference near the west side yards.

    The construction unions are often used as the shock troops for real estate developers eager to counter community opposition, and the stadium effort is no exception. But organizers of the news conference have invited a broader array of labor leaders, including Peter Ward, president of the 25,500-member Hotel and Motel Trades Council, and Brian M. McLaughlin, president of the Central Labor Council, the governing body for New York City unions.

    Of course, Mr. Ward's endorsement comes with a price: the Jets have to agree to let the union sign up workers at the four high-end restaurants the Jets plan for the stadium. It is a small but important step in an effort that the Jets hope will demonstrate the breadth of support for the project. "We're down to the wire," said L. Jay Cross, president of the Jets. "We want to be under construction within the next 12 to 15 months. We really want to ratchet up the amount of information that's available to the public.''

    The sense of urgency comes from the Jets' desire to complete the stadium, which would double as an Olympic forum if the city wins its bid for the 2012 Olympic Games, before their lease runs out at the New Jersey Meadowlands in 2008. The city also wants to demonstrate some progress on the stadium by May 19, when the International Olympic Committee is expected to winnow its list of candidates for the 2012 summer games.

    The Jets, the Bloomberg administration and state officials say the stadium, which requires a $600 million public subsidy, would provide an additional benefit because it could be used for conventions and trade shows in conjunction with the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center.

    The Jets have hired a small army of lobbyists and consultants, including former aides to Gov. George E. Pataki - Mike McKeon and Louis R. Tomson - and strategists with ties to labor, minorities and Democrats - Ken Sunshine and Bill Lynch. The Jets also hired Mr. Tomson's former aide at the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, Matt Higgins, as vice president.

    The stadium has come in for criticism from local residents, politicians and some Broadway theater owners, who fear that the stadium would bring traffic congestion, displace Broadway-related businesses and discourage people from visiting the theater district. "Neighborhood feeling is as strong as it's ever been, or stronger, in opposition to the stadium," Assemblyman Richard N. Gottfried said. "I don't think that's going to change by inviting them to parties or press conferences.'' In recent weeks, the team has gone into hyperdrive to answer critics and convince political leaders and New Yorkers that a West Side stadium will be great.

    At a Feb. 25 meeting scheduled by Community Board 4 to discuss the issues surrounding the stadium and West Side development, dozens of construction workers arrived early, dressed in green Jets caps and chanting "J-E-T-S; Jobs."

    Herman Edwards, the Jets head coach, addressed the annual Black, Puerto Rican and Hispanic Legislative Caucus dinner on Feb. 15. He gave an inspirational talk about leadership and tacked on a plug for the stadium, said three politicians who attended.

    "It wasn't really a centerpiece of his speech," said Adriano Espaillat, chairman of the caucus and a Manhattan assemblyman. "For the most part, the audience wasn't really tuned into it."

    Mr. Espaillat opposes the stadium. "All the research indicates that stadiums are one-shot deals and not a significant stimulus to local economies," he said. "I think it'll be a traffic nightmare all the way up to the George Washington Bridge, and it'll adversely affect the economy."

    The Jets had a news conference on the steps of City Hall on March 4 to show that support for the project was surging, with the help of minority legislators and former Olympic athletes. There were only three politicians in attendance: Assemblymen Keith L. Wright and Darryl C. Towns and Councilwoman Margarita López. Mr. Towns represents a Brooklyn district; the two others are from Manhattan.

    The team saw a better turnout at a gathering of about 30 bars owners last Tuesday at O'Farrell's, a bar at 10th Avenue and 33rd Street, even if some of them were from East Side bars. Team officials presented striking designs for the stadium, its connections to the Javits Center and its potential economic impact.

    "I think the bar owners are going to be behind it," said Jim Breidenbach, manager of P&G Cafe on Amsterdam Avenue near 73rd Street.

    On Sunday, the team sponsored a "Jets Fest" at a West Side park, complete with Jets players, that drew several hundred people, including opponents who passed out leaflets indicating that they loved the team and hated the stadium.

    Yesterday, Councilman David I. Weprin, chairman of the City Council's finance committee, held a news conference outside City Hall with Mr. Cross. Mr. Weprin said his analysis of economic data, which he acknowledged was mostly provided by the Jets, led him to conclude that "this is a great deal for the city."

    Mr. Weprin said he was speaking for himself and not for other members of the City Council, among whom opinion on the project is divided.

    "They're not going to turn things around on the West Side," Assemblyman Thomas K. Duane said. "Mayor Giuliani tried to stuff a baseball stadium down our throats and it didn't work."

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    Jets President says fans will forego tailgating

    By KAREN MATTHEWS
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    March 16, 2004, 12:50 PM EST

    NEW YORK -- New York Jets fans would take public transportation to a Manhattan stadium even if they had to give up tailgating to do it, the president of the Jets said Tuesday.

    "People tailgate because there's not a lot else to do in the areas where tailgating is the most popular," Jets President L. Jay Cross told a business breakfast. "Certainly if you go to Giants Stadium, you're in no rush to get into that building and go to the concessions and washrooms."

    "It's part of suburban football," added Cross, who has argued that the proposed stadium and convention center on Manhattan's far West Side would not add many cars to the streets because 70 percent of fans would take trains, buses and ferries. "In urban stadiums throughout the league, basically there's no tailgating."

    Cross' appearance at a breakfast sponsored by Crain's New York Business was part of an extensive promotional campaign for the stadium, which faces opposition from many Manhattan neighborhood activists and elected officials.

    The Jets, who now share the New Jersey Meadowlands with the Giants, propose spending $800 million on the new stadium, which would also anchor the city's bid for the 2012 summer Olympics.

    The city and state would pay $600 million for a deck over the Hudson rail yards and a retractable roof that would allow the facility to be used for conventions.

    A group that wants a Jets and Olympics stadium in Willets Point, Queens _ near Shea Stadium, the Jets' previous home _ bought a table at the breakfast and distributed anti-West Side stadium leaflets.

    "At every event that they start to stage, we're going to follow them," said David Oats, chairman of the Queens Olympic Committee. "We're not going to let them get away with pushing this down people's throats.

    But Cross ticked off several reasons why the Jets have no plans to return to Queens.

    "First of all, if a company's going to make an $800 million investment in what is essentially its headquarters, it wants to make that investment where it has the greatest chance of success," he said. "From our point of view, we can only really justify making that kind of investment in Manhattan."

    Cross said the city's Olympic bid "does not contemplate an Olympic stadium in Queens." Additionally, he noted, the West Side stadium is to include convention facilities that can be used in conjunction with an expanded Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, forming a "convention corridor" on the Hudson River between 30th and 40th streets.

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    March 17, 2004

    Developer Balking Over Plans for West Side Convention Hotel

    By CHARLES V. BAGLI

    The long-awaited plans for an expanded $2.8 billion convention and stadium corridor on Manhattan's far West Side have hit a snag, even as state and city officials prepare to formally announce the project.

    Government officials want to build a 1,500-room convention hotel and ballroom at 42nd Street and 11th Avenue as part of a $1.4 billion expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center nearby. They view the hotel as a critical element of their plans to attract more conventions and trade shows to New York.

    But Larry A. Silverstein, the developer who owns the block where officials plan to build the hotel, is balking. "Larry Silverstein has not heard from either state or city government concerning that property," said Howard J. Rubenstein, his spokesman. "Therefore, he thinks it's premature to discuss what he might do."

    Mr. Silverstein built a 900-room apartment tower on the western half of the block several years ago and has said he plans to build a similar tower on the parking lot next door. But in recent weeks, two people active in the hotel industry have said that Mr. Silverstein talked to a developer working with the Hyatt hotel chain about building a tower with condominiums and hotel rooms, though on a much smaller scale than a convention hotel. Mr. Rubenstein said, "He has spoken to no one about a hotel on his property."

    In any event, Charles A. Gargano, chairman of the Javits development corporation, said the state would condemn the property if necessary.

    "We've recognized all along that a convention hotel would work well with an expanded Javits," he said.

    The hotel industry has lobbied for a decade to expand the Javits center, which stretches along 11th Avenue from 34th to 38th Street. And Robert Boyle, chairman of the Javits operating corporation, has long wanted to put a large convention hotel at 42nd Street and 11th Avenue.

    The proposed expansion of the convention center would bring it up to 40th Street and nearly double the size of the exhibition space. On the south side of the center, the Jets are proposing a $1.4 billion football stadium that would provide an additional 200,000 square feet.

    Jonathan M. Tisch, chairman of the city's convention and visitors bureau, said yesterday at a forum sponsored by Crain's New York that the executive board of the city's Hotel Association had agreed to a $1.50-a-night hotel tax to help pay for the Javits expansion. The state and city are each expected to contribute $300 million. He said he expected the project to be announced very soon.

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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