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    Quote: from JMGarcia on 8:35 am on June 3, 2003
    ....or at least pretty close to it.
    What is that supposed to mean ?
    I say, if there's a logic in this world, we topped 900 feet.

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    DOUGLAS Durst's plan to build a spectacular new tower for Bank of America on West 42nd Street...
    Spectacular....
    a. A single dramatic production of unusual length or lavishness.
    b. An elaborate display.

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    Quote: from Fabb on 12:32 pm on June 3, 2003
    Quote: from JMGarcia on 8:35 am on June 3, 2003
    ....or at least pretty close to it.
    What is that supposed to mean ?
    I say, if there's a logic in this world, we topped 900 feet.
    It mean it might not quite reach 800 feet. Using the 13 1/2 foot per floor estimate 57 floors would come out to about 769 feet. I also doubt if Durst will build anythign to block their new antenna next door on Conde Naste. A lot could depend on how high on the antenna the transmitters are.

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    well i would think that if the building is to hold 2 mil sq ft.. it would be close to if not more than 800ft. Hopefully the building will be closer to the 900ft mark or even a 1000 (praying). If im not mistaking the conde naste antenna is supposed to be 1142ft so even if the building was 1000ft it wouldnt block the transmitter. Does any1 have an updated rendering of the Building

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    As earlier mentioned BOFA Atlanta is 1023 feet and 55 storeys.

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    Lessee...according to skyscrapers.com the original height was 781 feet and 53 stories, not counting the spire.

    So we divide 781 by 53, and we're left with 14.735849057. *We'll round that off to 14.74.

    We multiply 14.74 * 57, and we get about 840 feet. *That'll put 1BP in the Top 10, if it's finished before the Times Tower and One New York Place.

    Then again, spire.

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    15 ft per floor, isnt that a little high for a notmal office building arent they usually around 10? *either way I just hope its above 800ft im sick of skyline fillers, we need more buildings to deviate from the mass of the midtown buildings. This is really a good spot for some serious height. The views from jersey would be incredible with conde naste, TSQT, NYTT, BoA and chrysler all on 42nd

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    June 4, 2003

    2 Property Owners Object to Plan for Skyscraper Near Times Sq.

    By CHARLES V. BAGLI

    Just as plans for a new skyscraper were forming near Times Square, the owners of two parcels of land on the block have said they oppose efforts by a developer and the state to condemn their property to make way for it.

    The Empire State Development Corporation announced on Monday that it would hold a public hearing about the project, a 57-story headquarters for Bank of America, on June 18, the first step in the process of condemning the land for a new skyscraper. If the state is successful, it will condemn all the land on the block bound by Broadway and the Avenue of the Americas, between 42nd and 43rd Streets, and lease the property to the developer Douglas Durst, who will, in turn, build a $1 billion tower for Bank of America.

    But the two property owners, Susan Rosenberg and a group led by Joseph Bernstein, say they would rather negotiate than have the government intervene. The two own the only two parcels on the block that Mr. Durst does not control. Although Mr. Bernstein filed a lawsuit to stop an earlier attempt at condemnation, the two owners stopped short of saying they would go to court.

    "We're a seller at a right and reasonable price," said Ms. Rosenberg's husband, David M. Rosenberg, calling condemnation "unnecessary and outrageous."

    The dispute is the latest chapter in a four-decades-long attempt to redevelop the block, which housed restaurants, nightclubs, pornography stores, theaters and T-shirt shops. Ms. Rosenberg's father bought her building at the southwest corner of 43rd Street and the Avenue of the Americas in 1948 and opened a pawnshop.

    Mr. Durst's family bought its first parcel in 1967. Thirty-two years later, Mr. Durst built the 48-story Condé Nast building at 4 Times Square, on the western end of the block.

    Real estate executives and state and city officials say Bank of America will occupy half the two-million-square-foot building if a deal is completed. "We're exploring several options to address our real estate needs in the New York City area," said Tara Burke, a spokeswoman for the bank.

    Government officials say the bank is negotiating over a possible package of tax breaks and other incentives.

    This is not the first time Bank of America has asked for subsidies. A decade ago, the city granted more than $15 million in tax breaks and cash grants after the company threatened to leave Manhattan. But the city terminated the benefits package in 1998 after the bank's New York payroll fell to 800, well below the 1,700 envisioned in the deal.

    Today, Bank of America, which has about 3,000 employees in New York, says it plans to expand its presence in the city. State and city officials take them seriously. And Mr. Durst wants to build.

    But there is a long history of missteps and feuds on the block. In the 1980's, Mr. Bernstein had a deal to buy out Mr. Durst's father, Seymour. But it fell apart when Mr. Bernstein became embroiled in a scandal over his role in secretly buying New York real estate for Ferdinand Marcos, the former Philippine dictator.

    Since then, Mr. Bernstein has either rebuffed Douglas Durst's offers to buy his land or set a price Mr. Durst was unwilling to pay. His property is occupied by a Sprint telephone store.

    Mr. Bernstein now says he is planning to build a small 30-story condominium hotel on his property. He said he would pay Mr. Durst $40 million for his corner lot next door.

    "We have plans to build our own project," Mr. Bernstein said.


    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

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    Mr. Bernstein now says he is planning to build a small 30-story condominium hotel on his property. He said he would pay Mr. Durst $40 million for his corner lot next door.

    "We have plans to build our own project," Mr. Bernstein said.
    I wouldn't bet on it.

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    Wasn't it the Millman family that pulled the same stunt with their building by throwing scaffolding up around it to drive up the price?

    If the owners are offering at a reasonable price, I'd say negotiate. *However, there is no doubt that the site is presently underused given its geographic location.

    (Edited by BrooklynRider at 9:46 am on June 4, 2003)

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    Quote: from BrooklynRider on 9:45 am on June 4, 2003
    Wasn't it the Millman family that pulled the same stunt with their building by throwing scaffolding up around it to drive up the price?

    If the owners are offering at a reasonable price, I'd say negotiate. *However, there is no doubt that the site is presently underused given its geographic location.
    I believe you are talking about the Maidman family, and yes, they did put up scaffolding (which got them fined, since they didn't get the proper permits before doing that)

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    The Maidman's threatened to convert the building that was demolished into a hotel.
    'Durst had vowed to build "around" the Maidmans' property if they went ahead with a scheme to convert their empty building into an Isaac Mizrahi-designed hotel. '

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    Quote: from dnice215 on 4:15 am on June 4, 2003
    15 ft per floor, isnt that a little high for a notmal office building arent they usually around 10? *either way I just hope its above 800ft im sick of skyline fillers, we need more buildings to deviate from the mass of the midtown buildings. This is really a good spot for some serious height. The views from jersey would be incredible with conde naste, TSQT, NYTT, BoA and chrysler all on 42nd
    The 14.74 foot figure was floor-to-floor, dnice. *Not floor-to-ceiling. *Obviously there would be space between a lower ceiling and an upper floor for electric wiring, HVAC, et al.

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    Although it's almost certain the two parcel owners won't be able to stop condemnation of their parcels - witness what happened to the nearby New York Times development - I happen to think they're right. *Eminent domain power is abused. *It's one thing if the state needs land to build a road, a utility or an airport but to condemn private land in order to give it to another private party? *Nothing prevents Dunst or any other developer from paying for the land.

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    Although I hate government intervention, from what I've read about this site, it doesn't really seem like an abuse of the power. Private owners have been squabbling over these parcels for decades now, and look at what has resulted. A half a block of essentially single floor retail in the midst of the densest commercial office space in the country, not to mention the last XXX store on 42nd Street IIRC.

    Opportunistic land owners are preventing Durst or any other developer from paying to consolidate that site. I can't imagine a sane person that would give up their parcel on that site without trying to gouge Durst for the enormous value of the consolidated site. And that is fine until it starts interfering with the city getting a larger Bank of America presence. Those jobs and everything else that comes with the BoA headquarters are the needs of the many that outweight the needs of the few.


    To chime into the height debate, I'd be really happy if it ends up in Bloomberg's ballpark of 54 floors and 850ft (with residential no less). I doubt it would meet or exceed 900 given the Conde Nast antenna considerations, but I would hope its more of a real 800fter than its brother. Ever see a diagram of 1CMP, Conde Nast and Metlife? Bleh

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