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    I think it's great. *A nice, new glass tower will rise here. *Maybe even some residences, since it's not technially WTC. *I've been hoping for this.

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    Sentiment downtown was overwhelmingly in favor of repairing it if possible
    Where did they find this overwhelming sentiment?


    (Edited by ZippyTheChimp at 11:15 am on June 20, 2003)

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    That kind of information is a clear sign that the masses are being manipulated.

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    Manipulation.
    What is probably true is that there is overwhelming sentiment to resolve it's status, but not necessarily save it.

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    Yeah, I was wondering that too, how do they gauge the sentiment downtown? Where did they come up with that? It's unnerving that there are probably just a few people speaking for all of downtown if that's the case.

    One version of Daniel Libeskind's plan for ground zero places a 1.67-million-square-foot office building there.

    Isn't that the version we all know?

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    So now we tear down the DB building, and put up... a replica of the Singer Building, perhaps?

    But no, that's too much to hope for.

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    Quote: from NYatKNIGHT on 11:45 am on June 20, 2003
    Yeah, I was wondering that too, how do they gauge the sentiment downtown? Where did they come up with that? It's unnerving that there are probably just a few people speaking for all of downtown if that's the case.

    One version of Daniel Libeskind's plan for ground zero places a 1.67-million-square-foot office building there.

    Isn't that the version we all know?
    There is one Libeskind plan with office on the site and another with residential on the site which increased the height of the 4 remaining office towers.

    It has always been presented by Silverstein as a fait accompli that the lower office buildings version was the accepted plan. He even proposed, as you know, a 5th tower on site rather than raising the lower office buildings. If he had taken the taller plan there was no need to have a 5th tower on site to get the same amount of space.

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    So now 1.3 million sq ft of office space will soon pass into history by the end of this year, and who will it all be accomodated? It's sad really, to see another skyscraper angel created out of 9-11. :sad:

    (Edited by Agglomeration at 12:38 pm on June 20, 2003)

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    That's correct.
    If DB is included in the plan, there will be a net loss of office space.

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    Quote: from JMGarcia on 12:15 pm on June 20, 2003
    There is one Libeskind plan with office on the site and another with residential on the site which increased the height of the 4 remaining office towers.
    But both versions counted on using the DB building or lot, right? I was just wondering why the article said this:

    What will happen to the property once the building is removed is still uncertain, although many people have made their interest clear.

    Will it be part of the overall architectural theme that Libeskind oversees or is it fair game for all interested parties?

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    Quote: from Eugenius on 11:54 am on June 20, 2003
    So now we tear down the DB building, and put up... a replica of the Singer Building, perhaps?

    But no, that's too much to hope for.
    Oh God, don't we hope. *Yet One Liberty Plaza is now where the Singer Building once stood.

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    Quote: from Evan on 10:32 am on June 20, 2003
    Quote: from StevenRosenow on 8:07 am on June 20, 2003
    Pardon my language, but this sucks!!!
    Why does this suck?
    Why? because it would've been more symbolic to repair it and put it back in service. It's still structurally sound - so it'd be a shame to waste over a million square feet of office space.

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    Structurally sound.

    This does not mean that the building is economically viable.
    Toxic remediation would be even more expensive if the intention was to reoccupy. The Post Office on Vesey is still undergoing cleanup. I'm sure that Deutsche Bank and the insurers came to the agreement that the cost of rebuild was too high.

    I can understand the symbolic aspect of the building as survivor, but there are many other survivors around the site.

    The Barclay Building and 90 West are NYC landmarks.
    St Paul's Chapel and the 10/10 firehouse - no comment needed.
    Millenium Hilton and Century 21 - economic rebirth.

    I hope the site gets a residential or mixed-use building. Push all the office space on the WTC site, and maybe get taller towers.

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    Maybe a residental/hotel mix, overlooking the site and not having to worry about putting the hotel (Marriott) on the site. *

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    ... or an elegant 1350-ft office building.

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