Page 50 of 107 FirstFirst ... 4046474849505152535460100 ... LastLast
Results 736 to 750 of 1592

Thread: 130 Liberty St - Post 9/11 Demo - Deutsche Bank Building - by Shreve, Lamb and Harmon

  1. #736
    Kings County Loyal BrooklynLove's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Brooklyn, planet Earth
    Posts
    2,757

    Default

    For the love of G-d. If this city spent nearly as much time and effort taking this building down as they do analyzing their historical incompetence, this building would have been down 2 years ago.

  2. #737

    Default

    NY1

    FDNY Report Finds Fault In Response To Deutsche Bank Fire



    A report scheduled to be released today says that firefighters battling last year's fire at the former Deutsche bank building were doomed.

    The Fire Department report is said to spell out communication breakdowns and numerous fire hazards, including a broken standpipe, blocked stairwells, plastic sheeting and poorly marked exit signs.

    Veteran firefighters Joseph Graffagnino and Robert Beddia died while fighting the fire last August.

    The 176-page report, which was written by safety chiefs investigating the blaze, is said to detail how the firefighters made more than 14 "mayday" 19 "urgent" distress calls, many of which could not be heard because of chatter on the portable radios. Firefighters, according to the report, also waited nearly an hour for water.

    According to the report, they also had problems getting enough oxygen while trapped in the building.

    The report also says a construction worker waited 13 minutes to call the Fire Department after finding the fire, which fire officials believe was caused by a discarded cigarette.

    The FDNY is expected to announce some recommendations as a result of the fire and the report. The recommendations are said to include better training and the use of air masks.

    The report also recommends more communication between the Buildings Department and The Fire Department about demolition sites.

    According to published accounts, the report says construction companies at the site never had demolition permits, instead using a series of smaller scale "alteration" permits.

    The Manhattan District Attorney's Office is currently deciding whether to charge the contractors, and possible even the city, in connection with the incident. That decision will come out at the end of next month.

    Programming Note: Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta will have more on the department's Safety Command Report tonight as a guest on "Inside City Hall," which airs at 7 and 10 p.m.

  3. #738
    Forum Veteran Daquan13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    East Boston, MA.
    Posts
    2,728

    Default

    Yeah, Now that all this has been substantially established, when are they going to get back to the business of dismantling the rest of this uglybug monstrocity?

    No more repeat performances of 09-11. Too many painful reminders keep on popping up!

  4. #739

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Daquan13 View Post
    Now that all this has been substantially established, when are they going to get back to the business of dismantling the rest of this uglybug monstrocity?
    I doubt it: unfortunately, the inquiry didn't really get into the red tape that has kept this dangerous hulk menacing the population of lower Manhattan...

  5. #740
    Forum Veteran Daquan13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    East Boston, MA.
    Posts
    2,728

    Default

    Hi, CoolCzech!

    Glad to see you here!

    Yeah, is a crying shame that this old dilapidated dinosaur of a building can't even be taken down without things being fouled up!

  6. #741

    Default

    Hey, Daquan! Have you seen NYguy and Carlos posting here lately? Just curious what became of both of them... and JMGarcia, for that matter...

  7. #742

    Default

    Its already being cleared of hazardous materials and the structure will come down when that is completed. I believe this was said in the previous article.

  8. #743
    Forum Veteran Daquan13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    East Boston, MA.
    Posts
    2,728

    Default

    CoolCzech, I haven't seen them here, bor have I seen JMGarcia online here yet.

    Alonzo, I thought they did that already before the dismantling process began. Something is amiss there.

  9. #744
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    I believe the process was that they were doing abatement floor to floor starting up top -- and then dismantling the floors above as the abatement moved downwards.

  10. #745
    Forum Veteran Daquan13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    East Boston, MA.
    Posts
    2,728

    Default

    Oh, so that's probably what the fire was consuming.

    Old stuff still left in the building.

  11. #746

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Daquan13 View Post
    Oh, so that's probably what the fire was consuming.

    Old stuff still left in the building.
    From my understanding though, all the floors left are essentially empty shells. Carpets, desks, chairs, computers, etc, were all removed within months of the building being abandoned.

    However there could've possibly been construction equipment if that is what you meant.

  12. #747
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    When they do asbestos and other hazardous material abatement they construct (using plywood & plastic sheeting) divisions and transitional passageways -- often incorporating cleaning chambers / change rooms (so that workman doing abatement do not bring out hazardous materials on clothing, etc.).

    Much of what burned was this type of temporary abatement structure.

    Abatement of hazardous materials majorly involves containment and then removal. It is painstaking and quite involved. Under safety and construction guidelines workers can't just rip out stuff and then haul it away. Often the material must first be wettened (to keep it from getting in the air when stripped off surfaces). Workers must wear outer protective suits, both to protect themselves from inhalation and so that the hazardous material (minute particles) which adheres to their clothing is not carried off site (the protective suits are removed within the transitional chambers before the worker leaves the site).

    The size and scope of the abatement at 130 Liberty is huge and somewhat unprecedented. And don't forget that some of the materials found on this site are combinations of chemicals never before encountered in the real world.

  13. #748

    Default

    NY1

    08/22/2008 11:22 AM

    Report: FDNY Approved Use Of Blowtorches At Deutsche Bank Building




    More startling revelations about the former Deutsche Bank Building are coming to light.

    The Fire Department reportedly approved the use of blowtorches at the building, just weeks before last year's deadly fire, according to the New York Post, which cites a document not included in the report on the fire, that was released yesterday.

    The paper says a Fire Department inspection report allowed the subcontractor tearing down the building to use flammable oxygen and acetylene torches, and keep them on site.

    The Department's 176-page report on the fire pointed out numerous problems at the tower after the flames broke out last August. It says more than 30 distress calls were missed, and points out the building had a broken standpipe, blocked stairwells and poorly marked exit signs.

    Firefighters Robert Beddia and Joseph Graffagnino were killed.
    The report says they waited nearly an hour for water and had problems getting enough oxygen inside the building.

    The report calls for more communication between the Buildings Department and the Fire Department at demolition sites. It says firefighters should be better trained on how to use their air tanks and radios.

    The report has been handed over to the Manhattan District Attorney's office which is investigating the fire.

  14. #749
    Forum Veteran Daquan13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    East Boston, MA.
    Posts
    2,728

    Default

    Hey, Dac150!

    Glad to see you here!

    That's was I was thinking. That there might be some construction stuff in there that probably perished in the fire.
    Last edited by Daquan13; August 27th, 2008 at 08:43 PM.

  15. #750

    Default

    Is deutsch bank desconstruction progressing? Does anyone know what floor they are on?

Similar Threads

  1. 30 Rockefeller Center - GE Building / former RCA Building - by Raymond Hood
    By ddny in forum New York Skyscrapers and Architecture
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: July 23rd, 2015, 10:04 PM
  2. Empire State Building - 350 Fifth Avenue @ 34th Street - by Shreve, Lamb and Harmon
    By Edward in forum New York Skyscrapers and Architecture
    Replies: 574
    Last Post: December 27th, 2014, 07:25 PM
  3. Liberty Enlightening the World (Statue of Liberty)
    By Edward in forum New York City Guide For Visitors
    Replies: 175
    Last Post: June 30th, 2013, 09:57 PM
  4. 500 Fifth Avenue - by Shreve, Lamb & Harmon
    By Rich Battista in forum New York Skyscrapers and Architecture
    Replies: 49
    Last Post: March 6th, 2011, 04:37 PM
  5. Liberty Bonds
    By BrooklynRider in forum New York Real Estate
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: July 12th, 2006, 10:06 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


Google+ - Facebook - Twitter - Meetup

Edward's photos on Flickr - Wired New York on Flickr - In Queens - In Red Hook - Bryant Park - SQL Backup Software