Reply With QuoteIm not talking about Farley Im talking about the plan that removes MGS and opens up Penn Station again.Originally Posted by Dynamicdezzy
The "Chip" was nice.
Im not talking about Farley Im talking about the plan that removes MGS and opens up Penn Station again.
^ I should have made myself clearer. At least the chip design was nice from the Moynihan aspect. But even that was scrapped! And the renderings we saw from Ven don't even come close to any of the 3 proposals for San Fran. Now that I look back, Penn looks disappointing.
That's not the train station, its the base of the tower....And that train station, my gosh, what beauty. Eons better than the plans that Vegineer showed us a few months ago for the new Penn station.
(I dont mean to hurt your delicate feelings Vegineer)
Interestingly the tower has 2 cores. Its also a mixed use tower much like the Time Warner Center here in NY with offices, condos, and hotel rooms.
It is attached to the train station and the facade treament of the base (which also looks like an entry point to the train station) is in the same style as the train canopy. In essence the same thing, as per the same design style.
The SF Transbay Transit Center is planned to be both a Transbay Bus Terminal and a High Speed Train Terminal (with future service south through California to LA and SD).
Depending on whether or not the City agrees to the rights transfer, this may or may not be the layout...
Do those boxes represent the shape of the proposed towers?Depending on whether or not the City agrees to the rights transfer, this may or may not be the layout...
But of course ^^^ and the color and size as well
After seeing what Macklowe will build on The Drake's site, I have no faith in NYC proposals and expect the worst.But of course ^^^ and the color and size as well
The cost of producing load bearing curved latticework of this magnitude would be ASTRONOMICAL. This conceptual design is a pipedream at best.Beautiful man! Obviosly it was not designed by the same folks @ SOM who gave us the very much underwhelming Freedom Tower design. This tower screams icon a hell of a lot louder and with more credence than the FT thats for sure.
Think of the cost of producing a single 100+ foot steel beam bent to accuracy and multiply that by a thousand. No need to covet SF because this design will never come to fruition.
While there is no disagreement about steep expense, I highly doubt the lattice is load bearing.
What if the curved "lattice" is pre-cast and pre-stressed concrete? Don't say anything is impossible. . . c'mon. I'm a structural engineer, and I don't even think like that. haha
http://newpennstation.org/site/
The Shroud Drops on the Farley Post Office
Submitted by Rob Johnston on Tue, 2007-09-11
Rolando Pujol at the AM New York Subway Tracker blog reports that the black shroud surrounding the Farley Post Office building has been dropped. The scaffolding is still in place, but the building and its record-setting colonnade can be seen through the structure. Rumor says the developers' plans will be shared shortly after the building is exposed, so stay tuned for the unveiling of the newest plans.
http://weblogs.amny.com/news/local/t...ig_reveal.html
The big reveal
It's been fairly quiet of late on the Moynihan Station beat, but there is now a tangible sign of progress. The James A. Farley Post Office building has long been under wraps during rehabilitation of its facade, but the work is clearly moving along. The block-long shroud that covered the Eighth Avenue facade is gone, revealing only scaffolding and views of the building's landmark decorative work, including that impressive colonnade. The stairs -- always a mad scene on tax day, April 15 -- are still largely inaccessible except through narrow sheltered corridors that lead to the grand lobby.
One day, we've been long told, this will be Moynihan Station, a worthy successor to the original Penn Station that once proudly stood across the street.
-- Rolando Pujol
http://www.nysun.com/article/62521
Push Is Growing for U.S. Funding of Penn Station Redo
By ELIOT BROWN
September 13, 2007
The developers involved in remaking Pennsylvania Station are pouring money into an effort to elicit federal funding for the development, retaining the services of six Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firms for the project, records show.
In the first half of 2007, developers Vornado Realty Trust and the Related Companies put about $710,000 into the advocacy efforts, according to federal lobbying filings, an amount that comes on top of more than $15,000 in campaign contributions to key legislators that could affect the funding.
The efforts underscore the important role of federal funding for the project, as both the state, which is administering the development, and the developers are eager to see the expected multibillion-dollar costs offset by another party.
The project, which envisions moving Madison Square Garden to the western end of the neighboring Farley Post Office and radically overhauling Pennsylvania Station, stands to be an extremely cost-intensive investment that would create little direct financial return but could spark billions in nearby economic development. The downstate chairman of New York's Empire State Development Corp., Patrick Foye, said earlier this summer that the Pennsylvania Station project could cost about $2 billion, though plans have been altered some since.
The project, which has yet to be finalized and go through public review, would be linked to the development of a train station in part of the Farley Post Office across Eighth Avenue. The developers have termed the entire development Moynihan Station, with the post office dubbed "Moynihan West" and Pennsylvania Station called "Moynihan East."
Earlier this year, the state was aiming for at least $600 million in federal funds, people familiar with the plans said, with the developers being expected to cover a significant portion of the station's cost and the state much of the balance.
"This is probably the most important transportation hub in the country — there ought to be a federal contribution to it," the president of the Regional Plan Association, Robert Yaro, said.
Based on their lobbying reports and the impressions of congressional staffers familiar with the plans, Vornado and Related seem to be targeting two main avenues for the funding: legislation that would "reauthorize" Amtrak, providing billions for long-term projects, and homeland security funding targeted for transportation improvements.
An Amtrak reauthorization has not happened for years, though the Senate yesterday rejected cuts to Amtrak's annual funding proposed by the Bush administration, approving $1.4 billion for the rail service as part of a transportation bill. The White House has threatened to veto the bill, a similar version of which passed the House earlier this summer.
An Amtrak reauthorization bill introduced by Senator Lautenberg of New Jersey contains a provision pushed by the developers' lobbyists, one that makes money eligible for the developments of new stations, according to a congressional staff member.
Mr. Lautenberg, chairman of a Senate subcommittee on transportation, has for years been a strong supporter of the Moynihan Station project, and he has been a recent beneficiary of thousands in campaign contributions from the developers. The CEO of Vornado, Steven Roth, gave the maximum $4,600 to Mr. Lautenberg's campaign fund earlier this year, and the CEO of Related, Stephen Ross, has given $1,000, according to campaign finance records.
"The two Steves," as the developers are known in real estate circles, also gave so far this year a combined $13,000 to Rep. Jerrold Nadler and the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, and political action committees associated with them, records show.
Vornado and Related's federal push comes as the plans for the project are being worked out behind-doors, as nine months into the Spitzer administration the state tries to sort out the details and juggle the needs of the numerous parties involved.
Amtrak, which for years had no desire to be in the Farley Post Office, now wants to base its operations in the building, according to an Amtrak spokesman, Clifford Cole.
In the place of the existing Madison Square Garden, the developers had been planning two skyscrapers of about 1,300 feet, though people familiar with the plans now say the state is leaning heavily against the towers at that location. The costs of physically supporting such structures above a train station are said to be prohibitive, and the state could move the development air rights to nearby Vornado-owned properties.
People briefed on the plans say the state now intends to begin the environmental review process some time this month or next, though the Spitzer administration has thus far not had a great track record of staying within such timelines, at least for its large economic development initiatives.
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