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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    Is it still owned by the Post Office, or did they turn it over to the state? Either way, both would not be bound by NYC law.
    What are you talking about? The building is owned by NY State, and because it lies within the borders of NYC, it is bound by the NYC landmarks law.

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    Well maybe the front. But the building goes back a long way, and is essentially empty (except for the 'consumer' post office in the front).

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    Madison Square Garden backs out of Penn Station redevelopment plan

    BY DOUGLAS FEIDEN
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
    Updated Friday, March 28th 2008, 3:37 AM
    Sabo/News Madison Square Garden's move to pull out of the Moynihan Station deal could doom the project.


    Madison Square Garden dealt a potential death blow to the faltering Moynihan Station Thursday night by abandoning a plan to move across the street as the centerpiece of the new rail hub.
    The Garden's owners will instead renovate the 40-year-old arena. The stunning decision could kill the plan to replace gloomy Penn Station with a handsome new hub named for the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
    Keeping the storied sports arena in place on Eighth Ave. also undermines another $11 billion in public-private plans to build 7 million square feet of office and retail space in the drab neighborhood along 33rd St.
    That's because shifting the Garden to the Ninth Ave. side of the Farley Post Office would have freed up development rights for 4.5 million square feet of new construction that cannot be tapped if the arena stays put.
    Furor against the Garden's corporate parent - Cablevision, the Long Island-based behemoth long reviled by New Yorkers for running both the arena and the Knicks into the ground - was instant and emotional.
    "The announcement demonstrates a callous disregard for both the future of the Moynihan Station project and the future of New York City - as well as disrespect for the legacy of Sen. Moynihan," City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said.
    Some officials close to the development labeled the Cablevision announcement a "bargaining tactic" that would not scuttle the sparkling mini-city planned for west midtown's core.
    "We don't think it's in [the Garden's] best interest to stay there," one official said. "They probably know that themselves, and probably will come back to the table."
    The Related Companies/Vornado Realty partnership, which hopes to build six skyscrapers as part of the Moynihan Station initiative, remained optimistic.
    The much-ballyhooed development was foundering before the Garden picked up its marbles.
    Funding commitments for the $3 billion Moynihan Station had fallen $1.2 billion short, and the state economic development official running the show bailed after ex-Gov. Eliot Spitzer quit in disgrace.
    A ray of hope surfaced early Thursday when Sen. Chuck Schumer called for the Port Authority to "immediately take over the design, management and implementation of the project" to get it back on track.
    Hours later, Garden spokesman Barry Watkins threw out a bombshell. In a press release that clearly caught Albany and City Hall off guard, he said, "After exploring several alternatives, it has become clear that the only viable option is a renovation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    Well maybe the front. But the building goes back a long way, and is essentially empty (except for the 'consumer' post office in the front).
    Then change the use, no need to raze it. It is a perfectly handsome structure, even the rear portion.

    It could be transformed, like you said, as something that currently do contribute to a bit of a feel of desolation in the area to a centerpiece for revival.

    It all depends on vision (museum, theatre, etc.), which in this city, what little there is, always seem to get squashed in the end.

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    ^
    They could go back to the original plan to turn the annex into a commercial/retail location, but that will doom Penn Station to another half-century as a basement.

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    Maybe we won't have to wait that long. If Dolan croaks...

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    The timing of this news suggests that it might be a way to put pressure on the rookie governor, who so far doesn't appear comfortable in the limelight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    James Dolan has got to be one of the most despicable figures in this city ever.

    It isn't enough that he should drag the Knicks franchise down to the depths of hell but now he is going to derail an otherwise wonderful once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to right a wrong (the destruction of Penn Station).

    The guy is scum to the max.

    Makes me want to puke just looking at this pig:

    Like it or not, he also killed the Jets Stadium plan by lining Silver's pocket

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    Is it still owned by the Post Office, or did they turn it over to the state? Either way, both would not be bound by NYC law. If it doesn't work as a public works project, either could demolish it under their own auspices, and then sell the land.

    But would this be politically viable? Probably not now. But give the thing ten years as a barely used, desolate eyesore (which is looking more and more likely), some minds may change.
    They are bound by NY Landmarks, which is part of a national system. The state owns it actually now and has since the PO moved out.

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    I say Boycott MSG and all events which take place there.

    What good does the Dolan gang bring to NYC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6 View Post
    They are bound by NY Landmarks, which is part of a national system.
    The Supreme Court of the United States legitimized the landmark commisions power in the Penn Central case that dealt with the city denying Penn Central from building on top of Grand Central.
    Last edited by ramvid01; March 28th, 2008 at 02:03 PM.

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    If the P.A get involve , that could bring some new life back into this project attracting that idiot James Dolan back to the table.Right now this project doesn't really have no foundation to it and that is what scared MSG away. Even though I hate the Dolans for that WSS fiasco , I can't blame him for backing out of an fragile development that was on the verge of of being dead anyway. IMO this project didn't have the right people behind it.

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    Penn Central is a private company. City law is not binding on the state or federal governments.

    Oh, and the latest news is that the Port Authority may take this over. They can also supercede city law, and are essentially accountable to no one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ramvid01 View Post
    The Supreme Court of the United States legitimized the landmark commisions power in the Penn Central case that dealt with the city denying Penn Central form building on top of Grand Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    Penn Central is a private company. City law is not binding on the state or federal governments.
    That is absolutely incorrect.

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    Only insofar as the higher government levels allow themselves to by governed by city laws.

    Lets say the PA, which is Federally chartered, and controlled by a board appointed largely by the NY and NJ governors wanted to build something that the city absolutely hated on the WTC site (assuming they could get rid of the Silverman lease), lets say something silly and impossible, like an airport (and yes I know it functionally wouldn't work). If it passed the federal rules (environmental and whatever), there isn't one thing the city could say about it. The city pols could jump up and down, and try to put political pressure on the governors to veto it through th board. But they couldn't block it as a violation of whatever city rules are in place (zoning/ulurp/landmarks).

    Edit,

    From an article about the terminal 5 rebuilding (the landmarked TWA terminal that Jetblue is going to use).
    Officials with the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission said yesterday that because the Port Authority is a bistate agency, the commission had no legal authority to stop the demolition of any of the terminal, which in 1994 it called ''among the chief works of one of the most highly regarded architectural firms of the modern era.''

    Legally, the Port Authority is required only to submit its final plans to the city commission, which can suggest changes but not demand them.
    Link to entire article.
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...57C0A9679C8B63

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    That is absolutely incorrect.
    Last edited by MikeW; March 28th, 2008 at 12:42 PM.

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