New Penn Station (Moynihan Station)

[ASchwarz]

What's the likelihood of moving Amtrak to Grand Central once Moynihan is completed? At least then, MSG can be demolished and replaced with something worthwhile.

What does MSG have to do with Amtrak? Amtrak can't go to Grand Central because there are no tracks from the Northeast Corridor to Grand Central. You would have to spend billions on a tunnel from Penn Station to Grand Central.

Keep in mind that Penn Station is being expanded, not replaced. The existing LIRR, NJ Transit and Amtrak concourses will all be incorporated into the new station. The tracks already run under the new site and the platforms will be lengthened.

[krulltime]

Yes I don't think Amtrak will move to Grand Central. I think they should move to the New Penn Station. Just leave the Long Island Rail Road for MSG.

I take Amtrak sometimes and the ceiling in that tunnel is just horrible looking. It is the worst Amtrak platforms on a big city that I have seen.

Please this is NYC they should concider again to create a new platform on a new location as in the new Penn Station..

[ASchwarz]

Yes I don't think Amtrak will move to Grand Central. I think they should move to the New Penn Station. Just leave the Long Island Rail Road for MSG.

I take Amtrak sometimes and the ceiling in that tunnel is just horrible looking. It is the worst Amtrak platforms on a big city that I have seen.

Please this is NYC they should concider again to create a new platform on a new location as in the new Penn Station..

Again, Penn Station is being expanded, not replaced. The current platforms are already under the Farley Building. MSG has nothing to do with the current or the expanded Penn Station. The current underground Penn Station will continue to exist, but will be expanded into the Farley Building.

[NewYorkYankee]

The only train serving Grand Central is Metro North, correct? Penn has LIRR,AMTRAK,NJTransit and PATH, correct? Both have the subways, of course.

[JMGarcia]

Path doesn't got to Penn. Its over on 6th Ave.

[NewYorkYankee]

Oh okay, Gracias Senor Garcia!

[czsz]

Aschwartz- will the Penn Station concourses/waiting areas above the platforms also remain? If so, which railroads plan to use Penn station's facilities versus those across the street?

[tmg]

This project will affect the passenger areas of Penn Station only; no track work and very little platform work are involved. Instead of being directed eastward into the current Penn Station, NJ Transit passengers (and hopefully, eventually, Amtrak passengers) will be directed westward into the new Moynihan Station. For the most part, the trains themselves will stop in the same locations as they do currently.

Now, there are other proposed projects for Penn Station that may change some of this:

1. Long-term plan for new trans-Hudson tunnel ("Access to the Region's Core"). To increase NJ Transit and Amtrak capacity across the river, there are plans for a new tunnel. This would require a new station somewhere in Midtown. Many ideas have been floated for where this should be located... one leading proposal is a deep station under 34th Street, below and just north of the existing Penn Station tracks. More information on this project can be found here:
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3072
http://www.accesstotheregionscore.com/

2. Short-term plan for new track capacity at Penn Station. As part of the ARC project above, several track reconfiguation proposals are being considered. One idea is to lengthen tracks 1-4 westward, which would also fit well the Moynihan project.

3. While it may not seem related, the project to connect the LIRR with Grand Central Station ("East Side Access") will also have implications for Penn. Most immediately, it will remove about half of the LIRR trains arriving there, freeing up a tremendous amount of track and passenger capacity for other purposes. One possible way to fill this capacity: begin running Metro-North trains to Penn Station. More about these projects can be found here:
http://www.mta.info/capconstr/esas/
http://www.mta.info/mta/planning/psas/
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4501

4. Plans for direct Midtown/JFK Airport rail service, which were included in the original New Penn Station proposal, but seem to have fallen off the radar.

[TLOZ Link5]

What does MSG have to do with Amtrak? Amtrak can't go to Grand Central because there are no tracks from the Northeast Corridor to Grand Central. You would have to spend billions on a tunnel from Penn Station to Grand Central.

Keep in mind that Penn Station is being expanded, not replaced. The existing LIRR, NJ Transit and Amtrak concourses will all be incorporated into the new station. The tracks already run under the new site and the platforms will be lengthened.

Desperate pipe dream, is all :-)

But wouldn't trains out of Grand Central at the very least be able to run on the Empire Service route?

[JMGarcia]

Desperate pipe dream, is all :-)

But wouldn't trains out of Grand Central at the very least be able to run on the Empire Service route?

Indeed, they used to but Amtrak recently spent a bit to bring them down the west side into Penn instead of Grand Central so that connections to the NE corridor trains would be convenient.

[ablarc]

But wouldn't trains out of Grand Central at the very least be able to run on the Empire Service route?

They could also run to Boston.

[hey19932]

does anybody know when the station will actually be finished( tower + glass entrance thing)?

[kz1000ps]

No - go back to post #206 for the latest news on it.

[NYguy]

My guess of the winning Vornado/Related proposal:

That's the best from what we've seen. It works better with the new Penn Station design.

[krulltime]

This area is going to take off big time with new tall towers! I am so excited!

Also remember the Tower that Brookfield wants to built close by! With 2,500,000 Square Footage! I cant wait to see that design!