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    Thanks. It seems that Vornado is proceeding with its plans for the Hotel Penn site anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
    MSG already has 6 million square feet of air rights, or enough to build possibly the two tallest office towers in NYC.
    I want those MSG towers that were shown in renders a while back to be built. Or something similar in massing.

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    The removal of MSG from the face of the Earth would be a net positive, no doubt about that. Would love to see those towers built where the Garden now is and the Hotel Penn left intact to provide the area with a wee bit of class, history and architectural diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroika View Post
    the removal of msg from the face of the earth would be a net positive, no doubt about that. Would love to see those towers built where the garden now is and the hotel penn left intact to provide the area with a wee bit of class, history and architectural diversity.
    agreed

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    How long will it take to for them to burn through the 83 million?

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    Too late. Already gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    How does that $83M fit in with previous estimated costs for the Moynihan project?
    The 83 mill. buys extended platforms and stairs up to street level exits. That's it.
    Virtually no work on the Farley building.

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    03.18.2010

    SOM Back on Board

    Latest round of design work kicks off for Moynihan Station



    The groundwork is finally being laid to remake the Farley Building as
    Moynihan Station, though the project's final form remains undetermined.
    Courtesy Friends of Moynihan Station


    SOM has taken up the conductor’s hat once again for Moynihan Station, the decades-overdue expansion of Penn Station championed by the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. The Empire State Development Corporation announced today that it has selected SOM to recommence design work for the first phase of the project, which is limited to underground infrastructure and platform expansion, leaving a major renovation of the historic McKim, Mead & White–designed Farley Post Office for some time in the future.

    "With the signing of this amended contract, we move one step closer toward the long-awaited Moynihan Station,” Governor David Paterson said in a statement. “We are extremely pleased with the progress we continue to make and are set to continue work with SOM, a respected international firm with a long history in New York City.”

    SOM had worked on an ambitious design for the new station in 2001, but the project never gained momentum. More recently, New Jersey Transit and the Long Island Railroad considered a move to Farley, at which point James Carpenter Design Associates, along with HOK, helped craft a new design. To help pay for the station, the state put out a bid for some 2 million square feet in development rights, won by the Related Companies and Vornado Realty Trust, and brought SOM back to work on the station.

    After various development deals fell through, last September Amtrak expressed renewed interest in moving into the Farley building, and last month Senator Charles Schumer announced that he had secured $83 million in federal stimulus funding to begin work on phase one, which SOM is now undertaking.

    “It’s great that they’re working with SOM again,” said Juliette Michaelson, director of the Regional Plan Association’s Friends of Moynihan Station project. “They know probably better than anybody the ins and outs of this place, since they’ve been here for every iteration.”



    The first phase will entail work mainly at the track, platform, and concourse levels.
    Courtesy Friends of Moynihan Station


    The architects will be responsible for creating an expanded concourse for Amtrak below the post office, new connections between platforms and concourses, additional infrastructure work, and, for the first time, access to the station west of 8th Avenue. “For the first time ever, you won’t have to walk to the other end of the platform to exit if you’re on the west side,” SOM principal-in-charge Mark Regulinski said.

    Regulinski acknowleged that while the work he is currently undertaking is not particularly visible, it will make a huge impact on the user experience at the station. “What the state calls phase one is really an enabling project and it will set the foundation for everything to come after,” Regulinski said. (HOK had also been working on plans for the latest phase, but their role in the project is unclear. The firm did not return calls seeking comment.)

    There will be no design work within the Farley building, however, which still does not have funding or a definitive plan. According to Regulinski, an agreement still must be worked out with the developers to determine their interest and possible investment. Despite the unstable economy, Michaelson believes now is the best time to tackle the complicated project. “With all the money available during this federal stimulus era, now should be the time to act,” she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Governor David Paterson said in a statement. “We are extremely pleased with the progress we continue to make and are set to continue work with SOM, a respected international firm with a long history in New York City.”

    Copyright © 2003-2010 | The Architect's Newspaper, LLC.
    A long dubious history.

    If Paterson would have had better fortunes with his eyesight he would not have thrown the word "respected" in there.

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    Architecture firm picked for Moynihan Station

    Skidmore Owings & Merrill selected to design first phase of work to convert Farley Post Office into a new train station


    By James Comtois



    The Moynihan Station Development Corp. has tapped the architecture firm Skidmore Owings & Merrill to begin design work on phase one of the proposed Moynihan Station.

    The plan for the project—proposed by and named after the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan—is to convert the giant James A. Farley Post Office Building along Eighth Avenue, across from Penn Station, into a new train station.

    Skidmore, which signed the contract today, has taken a leading role in the advocacy and design of this infrastructure project since the 1990s and has worked on several prior iterations of the new station.

    “With the signing of this amended contract, we move one step closer toward the long-awaited Moynihan Station. The continuation of this partnership begins the first phase of this project, which will finally kick off this year,” said Gov. David Paterson, in a statement.

    The first proposed phase of the project includes five major transportation and infrastructure-related components: extending the west-end concourse beneath the post office building; improving platform ventilation; improving signal work; upgrading the connector between the post office and the existing Penn Station beneath West 33rd Street; and adding two new entry points on either side of the post office's grand staircase on the west side of Eighth Avenue.

    Skidmore hopes that work on these components will increase capacity for rail services, enhance subway connections, reduce congestion, and improve access for riders.
    “Our goal at MSDC is to have this necessary design work performed in the most efficient and fiscally-responsible manner,” said Robin Stout, president of the Moynihan Station Development Corp., in a statement.

    The project received $83.3 million in funds from the federal American Reinvestment and Recovery Act last month.

    http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ATE/100319879#

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merry View Post
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    The first proposed phase of the project includes five major transportation and infrastructure-related components: extending the west-end concourse beneath the post office building; improving platform ventilation; improving signal work; upgrading the connector between the post office and the existing Penn Station beneath West 33rd Street; and adding two new entry points on either side of the post office's grand staircase on the west side of Eighth Avenue.

    Skidmore hopes that work on these components will increase capacity for rail services, enhance subway connections, reduce congestion, and improve access for riders.
    HOPE?? They hope?? Why do they hope? Why don't they KNOW?

    More BS?

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    HOPE conveys many wonderful good feelings and positive emotion without the messy commitment. I HOPE that Moynihan Station becomes a reality (just the thought conjures up all kind of good feelings) but I'm not holding my breath (metaphor fades as reality dawns). I HOPE they were misquoted rather than a fertilizer overload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fioco View Post
    HOPE conveys many wonderful good feelings and positive emotion without the messy commitment. I HOPE that Moynihan Station becomes a reality (just the thought conjures up all kind of good feelings) but I'm not holding my breath (metaphor fades as reality dawns). I HOPE they were misquoted rather than a fertilizer overload.
    This station if built would help bring back a little dignity to intercity rail travel to/from NY. However, the problem is that the station is far too small and seperate from the main commuter traffic flow to redeem the destruction of the original, now that MSG will be kept. The plan to create a large glass head-house after MSG had moved would have been the best possible solution. The best we can hope for without a resumption of the MSG plan would be:

    1) Farley completed as the Amtrak station - decent design hopefully.
    2) Current Penn completley gutted and renovated for commuter service -- improve passenger experience.
    3) Farley annex developed into a retail destination of some sort, if not additional station facilities.
    4) MSG renovated and exterior form altered to be more pleasing than a concrete toilet bowl.
    5) Ugly Penn plaza buildings reclad or demolished/replaced.
    6) Construction of a nice supertall on or around the hotel site.
    7) Hope that new NJT transit concourse/terminal will connect well with the current station and have a modern and reasonable design.

    I'm still hoping that, with the development of MSG yet to start in earnest, that the original plan will be resurrected. However, I don't see much hope given the news of late.

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    Let me attach my hope to yours. You are correct to call attention to MSG and the present Penn Station. Good list.

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