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    Will Manhattan West and Hudson Yards completion influence this projects expedite?

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    Exclamation Hudson River Tunnels Have 20 years to Live

    Amtrak chief gives aging Hudson rail tunnels 20 years to live, tops

    By Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger
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    on May 05, 2014 at 3:00 PM


    Workers demonstrated in North Bergen, in support of the ARC trans-Hudson rail tunnel in November 2010, which was cancelled by Gov Chris Christie. Amtrak CEO Joe Boardman warns the two existing tunnels now serving a crowded 160,000 passers per day could be forced to shut down within 20 years. (Ramin Talaie/Getty Images)

    Amtrak Chief Executive Officer Joe Boardman said the two existing rail tunnels that now carry 160,000 commuters a day under the Hudson River will have to be shut within 20 years, according to a published report.

    “I’m being told we got something less than 20 years before we have to shut one or two down,” Boardman said during a transportation conference last week in Manhattan, according to a report by Capital New York. “Something less than 20. I don’t know if that something less than 20 is seven, or some other number. But to build two new ones, you’re talking seven to nine years to deliver, if we all decided today that we could do it."

    The executive director of the transportation think tank that hosted the conference, the Regional Plan Association, described Boardman’s remarks as “a big shock,” the report said.

    “I’ve been hearing abstractly people at Amtrak and other people at New Jersey Transit say for years the tunnels are over 100 years old and we have to be worried about them,” the executive director, Tom Wright, was quoted as saying. “To actually have Joe put something concrete on the table, less than 20 years … Within my office, there was a level of, ‘Wow, this is really serious.'”

    In late 2010, Gov. Chris Christie cited already rising cost estimates and potential overruns when he cancelled longtime plans for the so-called ARC tunnel, a multi-billion dollar project that would have added two new tubes and doubled trans-Hudson rail capacity.

    NJ Transit was the lead agency on the project, which also involved the federal government and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Christie directed the Port Authority to redirect $1.8 billion of the $3 billion it had set aside for the ARC project, and instead use it to overhaul the Pulaski Skyway and related infrastructure projects.

    Amtrak has since announced that it would take the lead on a new, "Gateway" tunnel project, though funding for the project has not been determined, and projections for its completion date range from 15 to 25 years.

    And that's not soon enough, said Boardman, according to the report.

    NJ Transit declined to comment.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...t_river_hudson

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    Very alarmist stuff, we need a 7 train subway tunnel to secaucus before building any new amtrak/NJT tunnels. Whatever work they think they need within 20 years will just have to be squeezed in overnight so the rush hours operate as usual

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    Maintenance work cannot be "squeezed in" considering the Northeast Corridor utilizes the tunnels 24/7, at near 10 minute intervals on rush hours. Any serious infrastructure work would cause severe delays from New York to Philadelphia, which brings the alarming issue into focus. I would rather have two new commuter rail runnels double capacity into Penn Station, as opposed to two new mass transit tunnels, this way the older tunnels can be shut down for a period of time to be serviced.

    You can fit a larger amount of people into a commuter train (as well as comfortably) as opposed to the current IRT rolling stock. Boring two new tubes under the Hudson for the 7 would take just as much time to do as the Gateway Project, or slightly more considering a maintenance facility would have to be constructed on the Secaucus side for IRT, as well as brand new platforms. Amtrak, for now, is simply proposing building two new tunnels. A trench is being dug out in preparation for future proposals, just underneath the Hudson Yards site. Seems a more feasible approach to me.

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    Meanwhile, the source of the funding should be obvious. This region historically sends the most tax dollars to DC and yet gets the least back proportionately than any other region in the country. This should be the very type of transportation project that gets full Federal funding.

    It's ridiculous that commuters here on top of everything else--who likely by the way pays the most than any other region in the country ($12 bridge and tunnel tolls and going up)--have to pay for this as well.

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    Hey, if Boston was able to get billions for the Big Dig, Amtrak should be able to get a few bucks for some new tunnels. That route is one of the only money making routes they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStyles View Post
    Maintenance work cannot be "squeezed in" considering the Northeast Corridor utilizes the tunnels 24/7
    Don't act like there's only one tunnel, trains can continue to run 24/7 with one tunnel closed that needs to be re-opened for day time commute. A proper schedule can easily be worked out

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Don't act like there's only one tunnel, trains can continue to run 24/7 with one tunnel closed that needs to be re-opened for day time commute. A proper schedule can easily be worked out
    What sort of maintenance are you talking about that can be done on a day-to-day basis? The article isn't clear on exactly how extensive the repairs would be, or if they mean replacement. The tunnels were built in 1904, and were damaged by Hurricane Sandy.

    A few years ago, there was a TV program that documented one weekend of work on the South Ferry #1 station, where other tunnels had to be shut down from Friday midnight to Monday 5AM. Not only did they have to do the work, but they had to bring in all the equipment, and then get it out before service was restored. It was hugely expensive.

    A little more info:

    Amtrak has since come up with a new, still-unfunded plan called the Gateway Program. Like A.R.C., it would build two new tunnels under the Hudson River. Amtrak's literature puts the target completion date at 2030, but Boardman, recounting a panel discussion he'd attended earlier that day, said the panel's consensus was “25 years if you’re lucky.”

    By his lights, that’s not nearly soon enough, particularly with what he describes as at least a half-billion dollars' worth of Hurricane Sandy-related damage. That could pose some very big problems for the New Jersey commuters and regional rail travelers who rely on those tunnels to get from New Jersey to New York, and back again.

    “Today those two tunnels carry 24 trains per hour, 24,” he said. “If you take it to one tunnel, typically you’d assume 12. Not so. Six trains per hour. Six. Because you gotta get 'em in and get 'em out. Six trains per hour. Amtrak does four. So if Amtrak’s selfish and owns the infrastructure and says we’re gonna do our four, well it doesn’t matter whether New Jersey Transit gets two or not, because with two they’re dead anyway. You can’t deliver what we were gonna deliver.”
    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...s-amtrak-warns

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    Please don't bother Gordon with facts!

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    Work has started here on the new street level entry at Eighth Avenue and W 33rd. Plus the big treads on the northern half of the Eighth Ave staircase have been removed and concrete beneath is being jackhammered.

    This is the rendering for that new entry ...


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    On the train into town the other day, it was also clear that the have gouged out much of the space that will be used for the extended western concourse as well. It looks like extensive conduit relocation was done. I know this isn't the thread for it, but the first half dozen pretensioned spans are up for MW, and they look super cool from the bottom.

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    The Rise and Fall of Penn Station:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...s/penn/player/

    Watch it and weep.

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    ^^ That is a great documentary, but I have to say I am surprised there isn't more photography of the station itself.

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    Forget city landmark, it should have been made a national treasure.

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